ChicagoRSX Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Just packed my first bowl of Birquq, and it just seemed wetter, as if it contains more molasses. Is this true, or was it just my imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinx23 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 my birquq P. punch is latterly swimming in juices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Nope, should be bone dry. You both got bad batches. Send it to me. 'Rani 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Mine didn't seem any wetter than Lucid usually is. Actually I think I remember it being kinda in between Noir and Lucid. Not positive, though. I really need to pick some more up. Tapatalk'd via iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezxen Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Seems wetter to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Yes. Its going to be slightly different then Noir and Lucid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRSX Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 [quote name='Rani' timestamp='1354087101' post='563135'] Nope, should be bone dry. You both got bad batches. Send it to me. 'Rani [/quote] Shady Rani, very shady... Thanks everyone, I've only smoked Noir, never had lucid. I was just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 In my experience, SOME of the birquq flavors have a slightly different consistency to them as well. They don't stick to the package the way the other tang does. It's really hard to describe exactly what it's like, but the closest I can think is that it seems like there is more glycerine in it. But, it's not all of the birquq flavors (wish I would have kept a record of which ones it was). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1354122009' post='563158'] In my experience, SOME of the birquq flavors have a slightly different consistency to them as well. They don't stick to the package the way the other tang does. It's really hard to describe exactly what it's like, but the closest I can think is that it seems like there is more glycerine in it. But, it's not all of the birquq flavors (wish I would have kept a record of which ones it was). [/quote] Ohhhhh yeah, I remember this too... It's like Birquq was more "slick" and didn't stick to the tub. I like my hookah tobacco with natural lube. Increases performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1354123046' post='563163'] [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1354122009' post='563158'] In my experience, SOME of the birquq flavors have a slightly different consistency to them as well. They don't stick to the package the way the other tang does. It's really hard to describe exactly what it's like, but the closest I can think is that it seems like there is more glycerine in it. But, it's not all of the birquq flavors (wish I would have kept a record of which ones it was). [/quote] Ohhhhh yeah, I remember this too... It's like Birquq was more "slick" and didn't stick to the tub. I like my hookah tobacco with natural lube. Increases performance. [/quote] Exactly! I actually prefer it like this too, I feel like I'm getting better value from my tobacco Built for speed! Hahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1354123317' post='563166'] [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1354123046' post='563163'] [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1354122009' post='563158'] In my experience, SOME of the birquq flavors have a slightly different consistency to them as well. They don't stick to the package the way the other tang does. It's really hard to describe exactly what it's like, but the closest I can think is that it seems like there is more glycerine in it. But, it's not all of the birquq flavors (wish I would have kept a record of which ones it was). [/quote] Ohhhhh yeah, I remember this too... It's like Birquq was more "slick" and didn't stick to the tub. I like my hookah tobacco with natural lube. Increases performance. [/quote] Exactly! I actually prefer it like this too, I feel like I'm getting better value from my tobacco Built for speed! Hahah [/quote] [img]http://bbhart.com/img/o-face.gif[/img] 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) If Birquq contains less nicotine than Noir, there may be a possibility that more molasses was added to offset the lack of nicotine. I believe I read somewhere from Eric, that nicotine helped with shelf life. As in the Lucid line, if the nicotine is removed, another form of preservative needs to be introduced such as molasses. Edited November 28, 2012 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think you're on to something there. It's about the best explanation for it that I've heard thusfar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoozle Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I thought Eric said Birquq had as much nicotine as Noir. I could be wrong though. edit: doesn't seem like it has as much nicotine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I once had a long conversation with Eric about flavors. He's not your average manufacturer. By that I mean, most manufacturers will find a flavoring that works and fits in with their manufacturing methods. Say they buy X Company's oil based flavorings. And they stick with it, even when somebody else might have a different version that's better but has a different formula because their manufacturing methods are centered around that flavor formula. When you work that way, yeah, your manufacturing methods are very efficient and lend themselves to mass manufacturing without any tweaking from flavor to flavor. If the X Company has a great cherry but a lousy pineapple, you're going to end up with a great cherry, and a lousy pineapple in the end product. Eric doesn't work that way. He wants the best flavor, period and tweaks production to achieve it. One flavor might have an oil based flavor from X Company, but another might have a paste flavor from Y Company. He'll choose the one that is closest to his standards and individualize the production to allow for it. The result is every flavor he produces might be based on whatever flavoring formula he's used. That's why some flavors are more easily damaged by air, some are wetter or dryer in final product, etc. It's individualized. God knows if he'd ever find a way to mass produce based on his demands (and end our occasional shortages), but I don't think anyone doubts it produces the highest possible flavor for each and every flavor. 'Rani 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 +1 to Rani for an awesome explanation, truly eric is a master at what he does and hopefully never changes his ideals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1354122009' post='563158'] In my experience, SOME of the birquq flavors have a slightly different consistency to them as well. They don't stick to the package the way the other tang does. It's really hard to describe exactly what it's like, but the closest I can think is that it seems like there is more glycerine in it. But, it's not all of the birquq flavors (wish I would have kept a record of which ones it was). [/quote] idk if you have also noticed. that the plastic he uses is different then what he usually uses lol. so thats why it doesn't stick, we got it for our new orders and all noir lol and 1 birquq and its just a new type of wrap, but yes the tobacco is a bit different, less sticky Also birquq is the same amount of nicotine as noir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 no glycerin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1354194187' post='563268'] no glycerin. [/quote] Well shit. Now I'm really confused! Hahah. I think I will just chalk all of Tangiers production methods up to "don't care; tastes great". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1354194187' post='563268'] no glycerin. [/quote]There's no glycerin at all in Birquq? How is the vapor generated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzigner Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thought is was oil based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yeah, I always thought it was oil-based too. We were talking about this in TC earlier (Mush, Ty, Luka, and me) and I was talking about how I remember Eric uses oils and that is the reason for the acclimation issues compared to other brands that are glycerin or molasses based. I swear I remember Eric talking about this in a thread here or on .us. EDIT: Yep, doing a quick search, I found some stuff where Eric talks about it being oil-based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I believe the flavorings are oil based as opposed to the more commonly (or so I would assume) used water based flavorings. However, I don't believe the flavoring or molasses is responsible for vapor production. From what I have always understand, and this could be way off: 1. Tobacco - medium and source for nicotine 2. Glycerin - vapor production 3. Flavoring - provides flavor to vapor 4. Molasses/Corn Syrup - conduit or perhaps to mask/augment the taste of the glycerin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1354218188' post='563310'] I believe the flavorings are oil based as opposed to the more commonly (or so I would assume) used water based flavorings. However, I don't believe the flavoring or molasses is responsible for vapor production. From what I have always understand, and this could be way off: 1. Tobacco - medium and source for nicotine 2. Glycerin - vapor production 3. Flavoring - provides flavor to vapor 4. Molasses/Corn Syrup - conduit or perhaps to mask/augment the taste of the glycerin? [/quote] This is also how I've understood it, but maybe with oil based flavorings it negates the need for glycerine? I know glycerine technically pulls moisture out of the air, that's how it can create vapor (and why people in higher humidity areas get bigger clouds), so that doesn't make much sense to me, but it's one possible explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinx23 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Sources for the other company manufacturing methods? Or is this whole thread hear say based? Just wondering is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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