Rani Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Cut and pasted for comment........ I get what you're saying Rani, but why do I always see people in YouTube videos throwing 3 to 4 coconut coals on the Alien? Mainly the maker of the bowl itself... If it's supposed to use less of everything, then why do people use more coals? That i couldn't answer you. The people who I know use it and love it, use what I would think is a really tiny portion of tobacco. Not enough for what I would consider a full session for me alone. And they use smaller pieces of coal and are prone to favor more heat resistant tobaccos like Fantasia. But again for them it works perfectly. For me, i don't know. But I wouldn't trash it without personally trying it and I wouldn't trash it publicly because while it might not work for me, it works great for somebody else. However, if on the videos they're getting great clouds and flavor then they're doing something right other people aren't doing, true? I actually purchased it and tried it. I used it alongside my Tangiers Mini Phunnel and found it to be inferior. A lot of people agreed with me when I made a comparison thread. It's difficult to pack due to the shallowness (tobacco tends to slide out the sides, whereas with Eric's dimensions there actually a trench to pack the tobacco into), and because it is so shallow yet so wide heat management is way more difficult than it should be (too much surface area versus depth). I've seen people who like it admit that it is harder to get right in terms of packing and heat management. A good bowl shouldn't be like that. I'm not sure I agree with that. You could apply the same logic to Tangiers and say a good tobacco shouldn't be that heat sensitive. For the people who like it- good. I'm glad that they do. But in my opinion, it's not my use of it. Rather it's just an inferior bowl. Different, yes. But again, it's a different animal. Would you say a dog is inferior to a wolf? Or each perfect for their niche in nature? They are both canus genus, but different species. Neither is inferior to the other. My point is that each bowl serves it purpose and shouldn't be labeled inferior simply because it's not something you personally can or would use. I don't agree with the "go back to hookah grade school" comment... Why torture myself by using inferior products when I already know what works best? :) I will continue using what I feel are the best products on the market, and recommend others do as well. That would be sarcasm. Which I'm often guilty of when I feel dramatics outweigh logic. And we have nothing if not dramatics about almost everything around here, often from people who assume having smoked one hookah one summer makes them the worlds experts. One of the reasons I have a great deal of respect for Eric is that I have never, ever, not once heard him trash a single other product. He says he prefers his own, but you won't hear him trashing it. If you ask him personally about the Harmony bowl for instance, he will likely tell you he hasn't tried it, or doesn't know much about it, or it won't work with Tangiers, etc. He won't trash it. I think Katie's approach on the bowl was a good one. She gave information and a rating based on her personal usage and experience. I just want the rest of us to be adult enough to do the same. I actually plan on trying the Harmony bowl when I have a chance. I don't think it's terribly ugly nor terribly attractive. But ti's worth a test drive at least. And if I ever get around to reviewing it, a detailed rating based on my personal experience. Nothing more, nothing less. 'Rani 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 well, i'll see if i can buy one sometime, see if the local shop has any since i dont think katie will mail it to me to review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The way I see it, you have your soup (tangiers), your spoon (tangiers phunnel) and your fork (alien/harmony bowl). Now you can use whatever you want to eat your soup, but I am pretty sure most people would choose to use a spoon, and intuitively it just kind of makes sense. Now there is always going to be those times when someone says I really want a bowl of soup but they don't have any spoons and of course we might suggest that in this case a fork just might work until a suitable replacement might be found. And then you are also going to have those few people that say a true master of the soup can use any utensil. Too which I would reply that in fact the true master chooses the right utensil for the right job. There will also be dissenters who say, alas, the issue is not with the fork, but the soup itself. It is too hard to eat, and its too hot, and it doesn't fill you up if you only put 8 grams of it in your bowl. To them I would say, sure you can eat jello with a fork or a spoon or even your bare hands, but who really wants to eat jello everyday. You can condemn the difficulty of the utensil not the soup, because the utensil is strictly the vehicle for consumption and is designed with maximization of the end goal in mind. Oh and please no one bring up the spork and ruin my whole point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Jess you just tickled my noodly appendage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dereksd Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) The way I see it, you have your soup (tangiers), your spoon (tangiers phunnel) and your fork (alien/harmony bowl). Now you can use whatever you want to eat your soup, but I am pretty sure most people would choose to use a spoon, and intuitively it just kind of makes sense. Now there is always going to be those times when someone says I really want a bowl of soup but they don't have any spoons and of course we might suggest that in this case a fork just might work until a suitable replacement might be found. And then you are also going to have those few people that say a true master of the soup can use any utensil. Too which I would reply that in fact the true master chooses the right utensil for the right job. There will also be dissenters who say, alas, the issue is not with the fork, but the soup itself. It is too hard to eat, and its too hot, and it doesn't fill you up if you only put 8 grams of it in your bowl. To them I would say, sure you can eat jello with a fork or a spoon or even your bare hands, but who really wants to eat jello everyday. You can condemn the difficulty of the utensil not the soup, because the utensil is strictly the vehicle for consumption and is designed with maximization of the end goal in mind. Oh and please no one bring up the spork and ruin my whole point. I have to disagree Jess. The analogy is a little out there. Id agree if we were talking about first gen aliens but the later gen ones worked just fine. The ratios were fine and like I said, I could get a great 2 hour + session out of 1 while using a small amount of coal. Harmony works just as well if not better than the later gen aliens but uses more tobacco and coal which I cant afford as I am a broke college student. If someone cant get a good session of Tangiers in a later gen alien then its user error. Edited February 6, 2013 by Dereksd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dereksd Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Aliens serve(d) a great purpose for the period when we didnt have #8 and #7 bowls and still do as those bowls arent easy to come by. Using a small isnt always practical or affordable for some people and a bowl that can cut down on amount of tobacco and coals used is very helpful to some. Just a different beast than the Tangiers phunnel and takes some trial and error just like the Tang phunnel does when you first start with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoozle Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The way I see it, you have your soup (tangiers), your spoon (tangiers phunnel) and your fork (alien/harmony bowl). Now you can use whatever you want to eat your soup, but I am pretty sure most people would choose to use a spoon, and intuitively it just kind of makes sense. Now there is always going to be those times when someone says I really want a bowl of soup but they don't have any spoons and of course we might suggest that in this case a fork just might work until a suitable replacement might be found. And then you are also going to have those few people that say a true master of the soup can use any utensil. Too which I would reply that in fact the true master chooses the right utensil for the right job. There will also be dissenters who say, alas, the issue is not with the fork, but the soup itself. It is too hard to eat, and its too hot, and it doesn't fill you up if you only put 8 grams of it in your bowl. To them I would say, sure you can eat jello with a fork or a spoon or even your bare hands, but who really wants to eat jello everyday. You can condemn the difficulty of the utensil not the soup, because the utensil is strictly the vehicle for consumption and is designed with maximization of the end goal in mind. Oh and please no one bring up the spork and ruin my whole point. The soup does last longer with the fork. I'm just sayin'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The way I see it, you have your soup (tangiers), your spoon (tangiers phunnel) and your fork (alien/harmony bowl). Now you can use whatever you want to eat your soup, but I am pretty sure most people would choose to use a spoon, and intuitively it just kind of makes sense. Now there is always going to be those times when someone says I really want a bowl of soup but they don't have any spoons and of course we might suggest that in this case a fork just might work until a suitable replacement might be found. And then you are also going to have those few people that say a true master of the soup can use any utensil. Too which I would reply that in fact the true master chooses the right utensil for the right job. There will also be dissenters who say, alas, the issue is not with the fork, but the soup itself. It is too hard to eat, and its too hot, and it doesn't fill you up if you only put 8 grams of it in your bowl. To them I would say, sure you can eat jello with a fork or a spoon or even your bare hands, but who really wants to eat jello everyday. You can condemn the difficulty of the utensil not the soup, because the utensil is strictly the vehicle for consumption and is designed with maximization of the end goal in mind. Oh and please no one bring up the spork and ruin my whole point. I have to disagree Jess. The analogy is a little out there. Id agree if we were talking about first gen aliens but the later gen ones worked just fine. The ratios were fine and like I said, I could get a great 2 hour + session out of 1 while using a small amount of coal. Harmony works just as well if not better than the later gen aliens but uses more tobacco and coal which I cant afford as I am a broke college student. If someone cant get a good session of Tangiers in a later gen alien then its user error. Aliens serve(d) a great purpose for the period when we didnt have #8 and #7 bowls and still do as those bowls arent easy to come by. Using a small isnt always practical or affordable for some people and a bowl that can cut down on amount of tobacco and coals used is very helpful to some. Just a different beast than the Tangiers phunnel and takes some trial and error just like the Tang phunnel does when you first start with it. A really small fork, is a fork none-the-less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The way I see it, you have your soup (tangiers), your spoon (tangiers phunnel) and your fork (alien/harmony bowl). Now you can use whatever you want to eat your soup, but I am pretty sure most people would choose to use a spoon, and intuitively it just kind of makes sense. Now there is always going to be those times when someone says I really want a bowl of soup but they don't have any spoons and of course we might suggest that in this case a fork just might work until a suitable replacement might be found. And then you are also going to have those few people that say a true master of the soup can use any utensil. Too which I would reply that in fact the true master chooses the right utensil for the right job. There will also be dissenters who say, alas, the issue is not with the fork, but the soup itself. It is too hard to eat, and its too hot, and it doesn't fill you up if you only put 8 grams of it in your bowl. To them I would say, sure you can eat jello with a fork or a spoon or even your bare hands, but who really wants to eat jello everyday. You can condemn the difficulty of the utensil not the soup, because the utensil is strictly the vehicle for consumption and is designed with maximization of the end goal in mind. Oh and please no one bring up the spork and ruin my whole point. The soup does last longer with the fork. I'm just sayin'... Masturbating with sandpaper gloves helps me last longer too. I can't say I enjoy it much, though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 You know Mush is going to smack us all if we don't get back to the subject line.............. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 So subject line material. No i have not tried tangiers in the harmony bowl, but i will soon possibly on saturday or monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I'd rather pack tangiers in the palm of my hand, place a coal on top of the shisha and try to smoke than out of any bowl from that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dereksd Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Very constructive. Id like to see that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 I packed Tangiers Absinthe in it last night and it was still going almost 3 hours in. I packed it on a slope (instead of straight down) slightly below the outside rim and a pinch below the inside spire... 3 coals hanging off the edge. I was surprised that it was still going with full flavour. Still there was a flavour pop in the beginning. Mixes are working best if they are premixed instead of sectioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdy Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Tangiers Absinthe? What's this all about? Is this one of the discontinued flavors? Can I haz a pico bowl of some? :) Edit: I'll be your best-est-ester friend Edited February 12, 2013 by Nerdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Tangiers Absinthe? What's this all about? Is this one of the discontinued flavors? Can I haz a pico bowl of some? :) Edit: I'll be your best-est-ester friend It's a new Noir flavor, unreleased right now. I have a 250g sample of it unopened... But it's sitting in storage 3 hours away. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Tangiers Absinthe? What's this all about? Is this one of the discontinued flavors? Can I haz a pico bowl of some? :) Edit: I'll be your best-est-ester friend It's a new Noir flavor, unreleased right now. I have a 250g sample of it unopened... But it's sitting in storage 3 hours away. :( really bad thinking ahead, right now is good time for a jump to conclusion matte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 Tangiers Absinthe? What's this all about? Is this one of the discontinued flavors? Can I haz a pico bowl of some? :) Edit: I'll be your best-est-ester friend Well maybe if I hadn't smoked it all.. I have maybe half an alien left of it. I opened it haven't smoked another flavour since. It's relatively accurate. It smells kinda like Andes chocolate mints but it doesn't smoke like that at all. Its deceptive... like Absinthe. I've really enjoyed its complexity. I think I would prefer it in the phunnel so its not so "sting-y" in this first 20... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Tangiers Absinthe? What's this all about? Is this one of the discontinued flavors? Can I haz a pico bowl of some? :) Edit: I'll be your best-est-ester friend It's a new Noir flavor, unreleased right now. I have a 250g sample of it unopened... But it's sitting in storage 3 hours away. :( really bad thinking ahead, right now is good time for a jump to conclusion matte I know, I know, but I couldn't very well bring all of my hookah stuff with me to the hotel. Just not enough space. Tangiers Absinthe? What's this all about? Is this one of the discontinued flavors? Can I haz a pico bowl of some? :) Edit: I'll be your best-est-ester friend Well maybe if I hadn't smoked it all.. I have maybe half an alien left of it. I opened it haven't smoked another flavour since. It's relatively accurate. It smells kinda like Andes chocolate mints but it doesn't smoke like that at all. Its deceptive... like Absinthe. I've really enjoyed its complexity. I think I would prefer it in the phunnel so its not so "sting-y" in this first 20... Well shit, now I really wish I hadn't packed it away... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdy Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Stored away you say? I might have to do some storage war-ing here in a second Chris. Lol. How do I get signed up for these sampleings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Stored away you say? I might have to do some storage war-ing here in a second Chris. Lol. How do I get signed up for these sampleings? LOL! Aight, Dave Hester. As for samples, Eric had a sign-up sheet on his forum last year, and then drew names randomly from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdy Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Absinthe def needs to come out. I should be checking .us more often huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Absinthe is foul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdy Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Not the absinthe I've had. It was magically delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Not the absinthe I've had. It was magically delicious. Tangiers Absinthe is foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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