Twitchy Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 hey been using my new 2013 small, but been having trouble with birquq.. specifically " now with melon " †how many coals do you guys use on a small ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 2 but what coals are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Birquq requires less heat than other lines. You may want to split your coco halves. I generally start with 2-3 halves on birquq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Birquq I ALWAYS use two coconut coals stonehenged (same as split cocos in my experience). Works well for both my Pico and Minis, and should work for the new Smalls as well. You might need a third stonehenged coal or split coal. I'd just try a windcover first, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Birquq I ALWAYS use two coconut coals stonehenged (same as split cocos in my experience). Works well for both my Pico and Minis, and should work for the new Smalls as well. You might need a third stonehenged coal or split coal. I'd just try a windcover first, though. I have a different experience. I didn't want to split my coals at first but eventually I tried it and had much better results. Eric also agrees that stonehenging is not a substitute for split coals. I do not use a windcover. I dont even own one. I was theorizing with someone last night about the use of a windcover... we think that it is better not to use one and just be patient with the coals. It's a theory though. I would test it but I don't own a windcover. I guess I could make a foil crown but eh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 how long do split coals last? Given that it takes a bowl of Tangiers a while to heat up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I use Golden Canaries lately, and I noticed a big improvement over coco's. I usually split a stick in half and put half of on each side (after letting it cool down a bit after lighting). Works great for me, bowls last a long time. I used to use 3x stonehenge with coco's, putting a windcover on for a few minutes then removing it. I agree with Katie, windcover almost certainly has negative effects on the longevity of your bowl...but patience is a virtue that I don't have when it comes to smoking. My advice is to just experiment with different things. I didn't like doing halfs because of the longevity of them, but I also knew my heat was high, so I had to compensate by stonehenging and being really alert on what the coals were doing on the bowl. That's what worked for me. GC's are my happy medium and while I wish they would last longer, they light fast so I don't care nearly as much anymore. I've smoked every Birquq flavor, and still have a cupboard full of a bunch of the flavors, and have had success with all of them (even the god-awful LPC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitchy Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 2 but what coals are you using? coco ultimates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitchy Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 how long do split coals last? Given that it takes a bowl of Tangiers a while to heat up... yeah this is the annoying part , id rather use full coals if possible. split coals die so much faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitchy Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 I use Golden Canaries lately, and I noticed a big improvement over coco's. I usually split a stick in half and put half of on each side (after letting it cool down a bit after lighting). Works great for me, bowls last a long time. I used to use 3x stonehenge with coco's, putting a windcover on for a few minutes then removing it. I agree with Katie, windcover almost certainly has negative effects on the longevity of your bowl...but patience is a virtue that I don't have when it comes to smoking. My advice is to just experiment with different things. I didn't like doing halfs because of the longevity of them, but I also knew my heat was high, so I had to compensate by stonehenging and being really alert on what the coals were doing on the bowl. That's what worked for me. GC's are my happy medium and while I wish they would last longer, they light fast so I don't care nearly as much anymore. I've smoked every Birquq flavor, and still have a cupboard full of a bunch of the flavors, and have had success with all of them (even the god-awful LPC). i have some exotica silver tabs dont care for them to much.. when you say you split a stick in half.. you mean basically using 4 on the bowl 2 on each side ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamyxcupcakes Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Eric actually turned me onto Golden Canaries and they are just easy. I do 3 on my 7ico with noir/cb and i would say for a new small 3 should be fine with birquq. Before i would do 3 stonehenged coconaras on a small and just drop a coal if it got too hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I use Golden Canaries lately, and I noticed a big improvement over coco's. I usually split a stick in half and put half of on each side (after letting it cool down a bit after lighting). Works great for me, bowls last a long time. I used to use 3x stonehenge with coco's, putting a windcover on for a few minutes then removing it. I agree with Katie, windcover almost certainly has negative effects on the longevity of your bowl...but patience is a virtue that I don't have when it comes to smoking. My advice is to just experiment with different things. I didn't like doing halfs because of the longevity of them, but I also knew my heat was high, so I had to compensate by stonehenging and being really alert on what the coals were doing on the bowl. That's what worked for me. GC's are my happy medium and while I wish they would last longer, they light fast so I don't care nearly as much anymore. I've smoked every Birquq flavor, and still have a cupboard full of a bunch of the flavors, and have had success with all of them (even the god-awful LPC). i have some exotica silver tabs dont care for them to much.. when you say you split a stick in half.. you mean basically using 4 on the bowl 2 on each side ? Yep, that's exactly what I mean. Works pretty good for most stuff, though I sometimes use 3 singles and spread them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Birquq I ALWAYS use two coconut coals stonehenged (same as split cocos in my experience). Works well for both my Pico and Minis, and should work for the new Smalls as well. You might need a third stonehenged coal or split coal. I'd just try a windcover first, though. I have a different experience. I didn't want to split my coals at first but eventually I tried it and had much better results. Eric also agrees that stonehenging is not a substitute for split coals. I do not use a windcover. I dont even own one. I was theorizing with someone last night about the use of a windcover... we think that it is better not to use one and just be patient with the coals. It's a theory though. I would test it but I don't own a windcover. I guess I could make a foil crown but eh... Really? I thought you were a huge fan of stonehenging coals... I don't use the windcover at the beginning of the session. I use it towards the end when the coals are down to bits and I want to get a little bit extra time out of them before placing the new coals on. I agree that it's best to just be patient and let the coals warm up the bowl slowly. Why I always wait 5 minutes before taking the first pull. I disagree with you and Eric on the stonehenging bit, though. In my experience split coals and stonehenged coals gave the same result, so I will continue stonehenging. You gotta remember I used to split my coals all the time, hence why I made a thread on it long ago. Started stonehenging and haven't looked back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawhee Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 what I think could make the difference with stonehengeing the coals is that halves last less, so a stonehenged setup should as far as contact with bowl and heat emission be the same/very similar to halfsies but should last longer... IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 yes halves do not last as long. But for me so much easier to move and not worry about Stonehenge style not falling ove the slightest bump. What was the reason Eric said stonehenge was not the same as splitting coals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Eric said it makes the tobacco burn out faster than splitting the coal. NOTE: Stonehenging coconut coals is NOT an acceptable substitute for breaking them in half before lighting. If you are still using this procedure, you are decreasing the longevity of your tobacco flavor by 33-50% and you are using more charcoal than you need to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Eric said it makes the tobacco burn out faster than splitting the coal. NOTE: Stonehenging coconut coals is NOT an acceptable substitute for breaking them in half before lighting. If you are still using this procedure, you are decreasing the longevity of your tobacco flavor by 33-50% and you are using more charcoal than you need to! Was that only for Birquq or all lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Eric said it makes the tobacco burn out faster than splitting the coal. NOTE: Stonehenging coconut coals is NOT an acceptable substitute for breaking them in half before lighting. If you are still using this procedure, you are decreasing the longevity of your tobacco flavor by 33-50% and you are using more charcoal than you need to! Was that only for Birquq or all lines? All lines. He was just speaking about acclimation and smoking tangiers in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I don't use the windcover at the beginning of the session. I use it towards the end when the coals are down to bits and I want to get a little bit extra time out of them before placing the new coals on. I agree that it's best to just be patient and let the coals warm up the bowl slowly. Why I always wait 5 minutes before taking the first pull. ^ chreees said that Thats funny because I was just talking to someone about starting coals with by pulling with a windcover or letting it sit with coals. He said that he there was a bite in his throat from flavour when he firsts starts. So to alleviate that I had him use no windcover and pull with coals (to flare the coals a bit... it would take a poorly packed bowl to scorch the tobacco at the onset of coals). No more bite and the bowl warmed up to thunderclouds quicker than letting it rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 The risk/reward ratio is simply not worth it for me because I don't want to wait that extra few minutes longer to smoke. If I'm doing other things, sometimes I don't mind, but most of the time I just want to get it going strong. *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 The risk/reward ratio is simply not worth it for me because I don't want to wait that extra few minutes longer to smoke. If I'm doing other things, sometimes I don't mind, but most of the time I just want to get it going strong. *shrug* same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Another reason not to smoke Tangiers. I'd rather have a perfect bowl of AF every time than struggle and put in more effort than should be required to smoke a hookah. I've smoke Tangiers with 3 forum members now who smoke Tangiers regularly and they said it was "smoking like normal" when in my head I was thinking that "this isn't the life changing experience that people say it is." Maybe one day I'll make it out to the Tangiers lounge and experience what a perfect bowl of Tangiers should be and maybe that will change my opinion but for now, no thanks bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I don't use the windcover at the beginning of the session. I use it towards the end when the coals are down to bits and I want to get a little bit extra time out of them before placing the new coals on. I agree that it's best to just be patient and let the coals warm up the bowl slowly. Why I always wait 5 minutes before taking the first pull. ^ chreees said that Thats funny because I was just talking to someone about starting coals with by pulling with a windcover or letting it sit with coals. He said that he there was a bite in his throat from flavour when he firsts starts. So to alleviate that I had him use no windcover and pull with coals (to flare the coals a bit... it would take a poorly packed bowl to scorch the tobacco at the onset of coals). No more bite and the bowl warmed up to thunderclouds quicker than letting it rest. C'mon now, the new quote system ain't THAT difficult. :) Anyway, I've tried both ways- pulling right when coals are on and waiting a few minutes before starting to pull. I'll stick with waiting a few minutes. It's cool if it works better for you one way over another, but I'm going to stick with what I personally found to work best for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I found that no matter when i start smoking after i put the coals on it smokes the same lol. i've let it sit sometimes waiting for erica or needing to do something else, but it just varies. I found no difference in my quality or quantity of smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezxen Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I use only exoticas , for birquq i take one pice and cut it in thirds for my pico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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