Blue Lantern Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 they raised the prices but all of our complainin' aint gon' do shxt. honestly, their packaging isn't all that great. for the price they're charging now.. you'd think that "premium" would entail better packaging, services, the extra special stuff and not just "good" shisha to justify ripping us off. oh well. just my 2 worthless cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvansLight Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 oh i know they are oryon, but what im talking about is a chemical that burns like gas, at the same temp, and is ignited the same way, and also uses a fuel and air mixture. This would mean all cars could use it without modification. Thats the kind of chemical im talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey32b Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 They probably figured that if they raise the price by $2.00 per $100 grams, the people who want it will still buy it. I mean, $2.00 is like nothing in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, their discounts aren't great for bulk anymore, but if you don't want to pay it, don't buy it. That's the best way to protest. I live in San Diego an go to Fumari very regularly. I can tell you that they won't care at all if you complain. The prices that are currently online have been in their store for several months and they sell 100 gram tubs in the store like crazy everyday. So they must've figured the online sales could be the same as in the store without a hit to them. Maybe or maybe not, but I wouldn't recommend complaining to them because knowing their business the way I do, they really won't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oryon1033 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 [quote name='EvansLight']oh i know they are oryon, but what im talking about is a chemical that burns like gas, at the same temp, and is ignited the same way, and also uses a fuel and air mixture. This would mean all cars could use it without modification. Thats the kind of chemical im talking about [/quote] Well that would be a lot more cost efficient on the consumer because if you could fuel your already gas powered car with something cheaper it would make sense. But ultimately this wonder chemical would rise in price too even if it's cheap to manufacture, and we would start getting pissed off about that the same way we are about the cost of gasoline. I think the solution is in hydrogen energy or air compression. Water is the most abundant natural resource on the planet, and when combusted yields HHO gas. And the by-product of HHO gas is water. Who knows though? They could start raising the price of water too. It's all about money these days. And those bastards won't think about the greater good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macho555 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Sigh. I was about to order a party pack of the desert-type shisha, but it seems like I'll never order it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdavid Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Don't all cars run on compressed/combustible air already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yeah, thats what I said, Joey, they must know what rasing prices are gonna do, and they don't care. Frankly, their tobacco is great, but the price increase is just gouging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldavis Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 i know i would rather wait a couple days for shisha and pay les than have the prompt service they are talking about and pay out my ass.....and that is an interesting analagy (if i have my lit terms right) i've never seen someone pay out the ass, nor can i possibly imagine how that expression even makes sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 You have to keep your money bundled tight at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onion Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Lol, $9 for 100 g of premium shisha sounds like a dream right now! Just waiting for the local head-shop to get some more of that sweet sweet $15/50g nahkla.Anyone know how much post-office boxes in the US cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calcartman Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Onion; PO Boxes are cheap.[url="http://www.usps.com/receive/businesssolutions/poboxfees.htm"]http://www.usps.com/receive/businesssoluti...s/poboxfees.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
critterchops Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 At all of this uproar over the fumari $$$ increase it must be some good stuff.I'm gonna have to break down and get me some....I can't take it any more...I need it.boycotting fumari only works in huge numbers.Maybe this will work tell fumari that we are members of hookahforum.com and we would like to offered a discount to our members.I know that someone has asked perviously along with a explanation of why the prices went up.Maybe a straight foward asking for a discount for our members will work.I can tell that email letter from fumari is given to everyone that complains about the price increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpimpitox Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 yea i ran into a local smoke shop that i havent been to in years that is now selling fumari for 11.99! ouch! they have starbuzz for 24.99 and layalina for 22.99. on the plus side they got a shitload of mya hookahs for not much more than online so i am hoping to be able talk the guy down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasa Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Layalina for 23 bucks?!!?!? Jesus tapdancing christ, the god of Shisha is rolling over in his grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpimpitox Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 thats what i said and walked out! they at least had a nice variety if their prices went down. al fakher and al amir were also there. i was afraid to ask how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 [quote name='oryon1033'] [quote name='EvansLight'] just wait, someone is goona make a chemical, all natural, that burns exactly like gas, and is less harmful, and renewable, and that person is gonna get shot [/quote] people already have. No joke a guy has built a hybrid water/gasoline engine that will be running in military humvees. Also another team has developed a car that runs on compressed air. Look it up. It's all real.[/quote] They have been talking about a car that runs on water for years. There was a movie or episode of "The Lone Gunman" about it. It is no more true now than it was then. A vehicle that runs on compressed air is not a new thing. They were very popular for years, they even used a variation to move freight around, it was called a steam engine. The only difference is one is compressed air, the other water vapor. You still have to compress the air, which requires energy, there are still losses through the system which makes it less efficient, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvansLight Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 oh h2o powered cars are real, its just that the technology is slightly dangerious. Hydrogen cars are even worse though, you hit a wall the wrong way and you got a small nuke on your hands :X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Nope, until cold fusion comes along, there are no practical working engineering models that would allow an automobile to use water for energy. It is based on the idea that water has hydrogen and that we could get the hydrogen from the water and use it for energy...it would take more energy to get the hydrogen from the water than it produces...being a net loss. The reason that water exists is because the oxygen in the atmosphere reacted with hydrogen. The tremendous energy when the Hindenburg exploded is the energy released when hygrogen turns into water...you would have to give that energy back to it to get the hydrogen back. Most of the things in the bottom of the atmosphere (around us) are cursed with being the most energetically depleted in oxygen. That is, they have released energy to get to the state they're in, so they offer little in the way of energetic alternatives. If we dig into the Earth, we find highly reduced chemicals (oil/shale)that offer an energy source against the oxygen atmosphere. Hydrogen/methanol autos are definitely being worked on, they are great...except they aren't ready yet. Ethanol seems like the most immediate fuel that will work well. Ethanol to run autos dates back to the first Model Ts Henry Ford built, they were all designed to run on ethanol...so farmers could grow their own fuel. The distribution system for petrochemicals is huge and efficient. Ethanol's distribution system is enemic and inefficient, hence it is not practical yet. Methanol/hydrogen is even further behind. Unless they find a magic catalyst that turns water into hydrogen and hydrogen...the only problem is that it would just reburn in the heat...they would really like to find one that turns methane into methanol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvansLight Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 come on tang, were you been? the same dude who finnaly unlocked the human genome completly, whos name i cant remeber, used his skills and now massive amounts of funding to go and find an ocean creature that does chemosynthesis to then find a way to make a chemical that could turn plain water into the hydrogen we need. Hes already find many dna strands that do it, its just a matter of getting it working right.And theres already a car that runs on water, not taking out the hydrogen but another method of using water to genearte the power. Not all things revolve around splitting chemicals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Well, steam has been used in the past, but practically speaking without help of catalyst, anything we find out in the open, on the ground, in the air isn't going to provide us energy. It sounds like horse pucky to me. Organisms only break down/build chemicals to get energy. They either use sunlight or sunheat to help go backwards (like water -> O2, H2) or get energy from directed reactions (H2 + O2 -> H2O) Like I said, hydrogen + oxygen is exothermic, it produces energy, so the opposite: water into oxygen and hydrogen requires inputting great amounts of energy. Thats what chemistry tells us. A subterranean/undersea creature is goig to be hard pressed to go backward along the energy curve. Cite references, please!Edit: Besides, free, cheap energy would be a disaster for the environment and business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Well, there are photocatalysts that will give you H2 from H20, see Nature, volume 440 Issue 16 Page 295 for one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 OK, I read that. Exactly what I said, catalyst, sunlight. Without sunlight or a catalyst its not possible. Those are important. Hydrogen gas itself is impractical as a fuel source. It performs routine Hindenburgs, for one. Hydrogen gas is cheap and plentiful already. It needs to be like methanol and produce hydrogn internal to the engine. I only read the abstract, thanks for the reference...I'm glad science is progressing without me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Well, of course some energy needs to be added, but photocatalysts are great because the energy is just sunlight, so hydrocarbons don't have to burned to produce the H2, so you woudn't be contributing to global warming. I love being off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Moderator's note:I tried to move the later half of this thread to the Serious Discussion Area, but it moved the whole thing, so I moved it back and the name changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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