getby25 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 i just tried my KM with two different base. one is stock it came together with my pipe and the other one is a KM base from hookahset.com but i just compared the size and shape it is different. actually the entire shape look alike but the stock is narrower(the neck part) and lower, also volume the stock is smaller i mean it is not much different but definitely different and feel smoke different too... before i test this i never knew it affect smoking, maybe because the airflow is different? i don't even know why the one that from hookahset is pretty different, maybe it can be fake or whatever...idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Yes, the size/shape of the vase can affect your draw. My Syrian Trumpet vase base only works well with shanks that have a longer downstem (why I have it paired with my Tokel Canary). Got pics of what you're talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawhee Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Shape and size of the chamber will make an impact on your draw depending on how much pressure you have to create (on the inhale) to get the air flowing, though it shouldnt be a huge difference it could be if the vases are very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getby25 Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 Yes, the size/shape of the vase can affect your draw. My Syrian Trumpet vase base only works well with shanks that have a longer downstem (why I have it paired with my Tokel Canary). Got pics of what you're talking about? i got a pic but how do i attach here? sorry for the noob question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getby25 Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 (edited) Shape and size of the chamber will make an impact on your draw depending on how much pressure you have to create (on the inhale) to get the air flowing, though it shouldnt be a huge difference it could be if the vases are very different. that's what i wanted to say it is more like impact sorry english is my second language. i will upload the pic to compare those my two bases but like i said there is not a huge different looking but it affect huge... the one that i got it from hookahset, i don't feel any "impact" when i inhale...this base is absolutely BS, i will use it for collecting my coins. btw maybe it is fake KM base... Edited August 2, 2013 by getby25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 There's a couple different ways you can attach a photo. Use a host site such as Photobucket and then post the IMG embed code in your post here, or simply use the "Attach a File" feature when you go into the Advanced options for posting a new reply to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getby25 Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 okay so, the left km base is from hookahset and the right one is the base come with my km trimetal the entire shape look alike but the left one every part of base diameter is larger than the right one. also it is taller and length of neck is different as well. surprise to me it smokes alot different eventho it look pretty similar, trust me the left one there is no impact, the draw is very shitty. since i felt the draw is shitty, i thought my hole pattern was the problem so i tried and tried with so many ways and change water levels, and tried many hoses... but the problem was the base... now i am smoking with the base what it came with my pipe. the left one from hookahset... it is terrible... very bad experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 the left one is definitely a KM base. In my experience it's less about the base, and more about your water level. You can play with the level add more, add less, etc. to be able to effect the draw, and smoke volume a little (still not sure about if it effects volume tbh) but definitely can change the draw, etc. It could be that the base that isn't smoking as well for you has a larger diameter neck making the stem not seal properly giving you an air leak, making your smoke not as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getby25 Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 the left one is definitely a KM base. In my experience it's less about the base, and more about your water level. You can play with the level add more, add less, etc. to be able to effect the draw, and smoke volume a little (still not sure about if it effects volume tbh) but definitely can change the draw, etc. It could be that the base that isn't smoking as well for you has a larger diameter neck making the stem not seal properly giving you an air leak, making your smoke not as good. while i smoked with the left one...omg i tried everything i can...i changed water level many times, changed hole size, patterns, and number...tried other size of hoses also tried different kind of bowls. i never thought the base was the issue so i smoked with it for about 10days, it was bad experience. now i am smoking with the base it came with my pipe, smoke just fine like before and i am very happy. in the pic, those look more similar...but actually it is not. the impact of hit is very different, the left one when i put my KM 33in Tri, it just don't work with it, the draw is waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy toooooooo opened, make me cough when i hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 that sounds a lot more like an air leak than an issue with the base size. With the base that doesn't work as well on the hookah, water in it as well. Plug up the top of the pipe with your thumb or the palm of your hand and suck from the hose. If you get ANY air at all, there is a leak (i'm guessing from where gasket where the base and stem connect) Your other base works fine, so it's not a big deal. but this would let you know that the other base isn't at fault, and it'd only take a little tape or a thicker gasket to get this other base to work better :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getby25 Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 that sounds a lot more like an air leak than an issue with the base size. With the base that doesn't work as well on the hookah, water in it as well. Plug up the top of the pipe with your thumb or the palm of your hand and suck from the hose. If you get ANY air at all, there is a leak (i'm guessing from where gasket where the base and stem connect) Your other base works fine, so it's not a big deal. but this would let you know that the other base isn't at fault, and it'd only take a little tape or a thicker gasket to get this other base to work better :D thanks for helping, i just checked both base by sitting my pipe and smoking, both no leaking, still the pull is pretty different, because the stock has less volume and narrower neck, i believe there some more impact compare to the other one. once again thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I'm gonna go against the grain a bit here. Yes, size of your base affects draw, but only to a certain point. The type of diffuser/end on your downstem, along with the gauge of it and how hard you suck (you suck so hard), will determine the dispersal radius (from the downstem) of the bubbling. Obviously, you want a base that is not going to restrict that in any way, but it's not like the bubbles are spreading out 6" in each direction. It is air, afterall, and air wants to float to the surface, and it will do that in the quickest way that physics allows it to. As long as you have about 2-3" in each direction, you should be fine (so, if where the water level in your base is sitting, you have 4-6" of open space inside, you are good). Since that is most likely fine, gotta agree with Nate and say that water level makes a much bigger difference and will affect the draw much more. From there, hose port size and hose size will affect the draw as well. Honestly, you can't look at a hookah and say "that's where the bubbling happens, so that's where the draw is restricted". Hookah is all about the sum of all the parts. Everything affects everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 ^ what Ty said.. fucking smart guy!! "gotta agree with Nate" <--- case in point. :D lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getby25 Posted August 10, 2013 Author Share Posted August 10, 2013 I don't argue, i needed help to fix my problem and in my case changing base fixed my problem. when I use the other base had the problem, still same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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