Tangiers Lucid Being Discontinued With Most Flavors Rolled Into A New Lower Nicotine Birquq Line

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As the topic title says Tangiers is discontinuing Lucid and hoping to move as many of its flavors to the Birquq line.  Another addition is the Birquq line will now be made with a lower nicotine tobacco.  It won't be washed.  Just a tobacco that has a lower nicotine level than that used for Noir.  

 

This is expected to take place the end of the year or the start of the next.

 

Anybody sad to see Lucid go?  Birquq seems to deal with humidity and acclimation similar to Lucid.  

 

Here's some more specific info:

Birquq is made with a different sweetener then the other lines. Birquq doesn't have any less nicotine but it will now when we switch. Back then we use to wash the same tobacco as noir to make lucid but now we use a low nic level tobacco. so that will be used for birquq now. We try to not use water in tobacco so you can get more tobacco for your money. This is decision came because we wanted to release a new line and we didn't want to make a fifth line and confuse everything. And plus birquq is a little more resistance to humility then noir just like lucid. So it was a easy transition. We made sure that all the flavors went through a rigorous testing period to make sure it will stand up to our standards in a new line.

[A Sharrp SYBIAN]

I actually never tried anything from the Lucid line lol 

 

Also it sounds like Birquq could be downgraded :-( I love Birquq! 

 

Looks like I will have to only rely on the standard Noir Line from then on! 

Edited August 6, 2013 by A Sharrp SYBIAN

[joytron]

So bummed....

[Chreees]

So bummed....

 

I am as well. Oh well, what can us Lucid lovers do...

 

I really hope Eric decides to make Indian Summer in Birquq. Thank god Static Starlight is confirmed in Birquq.

[Rani]

You guys being disappointed?  Nonsense.  Lucid was popular mostly because it was EASY.  Less acclimation problems etc.  Birquq is also easy.  Fewer acclimation issues, and it smokes amazingly well.  Plus Eric actually asked his customers which he should drop, and most people thought Lucid was the one that should go.  If it's a flavor issue, well you'll be just fine.  He's moving a great many of the original Lucid flavors over into the Birquq formula.  So really..... Guaranteed very, VERY few people will even notice it's gone once the transition is made.  You know the difficulty of manufacturing three different lines in one smallish facility is a good part of the reason there have been shortages.......  All around this is a good move.  So suck it up and quite whining.

 

'Rani

[joytron]

You guys being disappointed?  Nonsense.  Lucid was popular mostly because it was EASY.  Less acclimation problems etc.  Birquq is also easy.  Fewer acclimation issues, and it smokes amazingly well.  Plus Eric actually asked his customers which he should drop, and most people thought Lucid was the one that should go.  If it's a flavor issue, well you'll be just fine.  He's moving a great many of the original Lucid flavors over into the Birquq formula.  So really..... Guaranteed very, VERY few people will even notice it's gone once the transition is made.  You know the difficulty of manufacturing three different lines in one smallish facility is a good part of the reason there have been shortages.......  All around this is a good move.  So suck it up and quite whining.

 

'Rani

I really don't see how this in any way is a good move. I far prefer Noir and Lucid to Bbirqurq. I don't see how having a heat sensitive tobacco and making it more heat sensitive really solves anyone's problems. I choose Lucid over Noir simply because of the lower nicotine content. I don't really see the point of smoking high nicotine if you are just going to acclimate yourself to it eventually. My lady is quite sensitive to nicotine levels and Noir just seems to make her sick. Aside from Watermelon/Lime and New Strawberry, which both perform exceptionally well in Lucid, the flavors in the Birqurq line IMO have been less than stellar. I get that manufacturing three lines is difficult, I just think the error was in adding Burley and Birqurq.

[joytron]

Is there any evidence of Birqurq actually being less prone to acclimation problems?

[Chreees]

I highly doubt very few people will notice Lucid being gone, as from what I can tell, it is highly popular (its always sold out, right along with Noir and Birquq). And I appreciate being told to "suck it up and quit whining." I'm pretty sure the value of your opinion is no greater than mine, Rani. But hey, Eric could just be listening to the folks who prefer Noir, meaning their opinions indeed do hold higher value. If this is the case, then I will "suck it up and quit whining." I will also start buying more Nakhla than I usually do since my favorite line of tobacco is gone, while I whine. :) In the end, Eric's gotta do what he's gotta do for his business, and I respect that.

[Rani]

You guys being disappointed?  Nonsense.  Lucid was popular mostly because it was EASY.  Less acclimation problems etc.  Birquq is also easy.  Fewer acclimation issues, and it smokes amazingly well.  Plus Eric actually asked his customers which he should drop, and most people thought Lucid was the one that should go.  If it's a flavor issue, well you'll be just fine.  He's moving a great many of the original Lucid flavors over into the Birquq formula.  So really..... Guaranteed very, VERY few people will even notice it's gone once the transition is made.  You know the difficulty of manufacturing three different lines in one smallish facility is a good part of the reason there have been shortages.......  All around this is a good move.  So suck it up and quite whining.

 

'Rani

I really don't see how this in any way is a good move. I far prefer Noir and Lucid to Bbirqurq. I don't see how having a heat sensitive tobacco and making it more heat sensitive really solves anyone's problems. I choose Lucid over Noir simply because of the lower nicotine content. I don't really see the point of smoking high nicotine if you are just going to acclimate yourself to it eventually. My lady is quite sensitive to nicotine levels and Noir just seems to make her sick. Aside from Watermelon/Lime and New Strawberry, which both perform exceptionally well in Lucid, the flavors in the Birqurq line IMO have been less than stellar. I get that manufacturing three lines is difficult, I just think the error was in adding Burley and Birqurq.

 

 

YOU prefer Lucid.  However, you're also a member of Tangiers.us so I know you saw the poll.  You can't base an entire business around what a few people want when the majority want something else.  Look, let's be honest.  

 

Eric's flavors are, well, "different" for lack of a better word.  He discontinues pineapple, blueberry, etc. and goes with Static Starlight.  I mean really, what's up with that?  He just doesn't do what he considers garden variety common flavors.  He likes mixes.  With few exceptions, almost every one of his flavors is really a mix.  A little berry, a grapefruit undertone, etc.  I personally wish frankly he went a little more mainstream.  I don't choose a lot of his flavors for that reason and I have zero acclimation issues with any of his lines.  I do think your flavor issues are going to be resolved as he moves the Lucid flavors over into Birquq.  So far the Birquq line has been additional flavors.  These flavors in Noir, these in Lucid, these in Burley, and these in Birquq.  It appears that's going to change from his new flavor listing.  

 

I can't answer personally about acclimation because since I live it the same weather zone, I can smoke anything he produces right out of the bag.  But the reports coming in are that Birquq acclimates more easily.  And he says himself that it's more humidity resistant.  Humidity being the entire reasoning why acclimation is necessary.  He's going to be using a lower nicotine tobacco so that should end your lady's problems with nicotine and she should be able to smoke it.  Note I said SHOULD because until she actually does, there's no guarantee.  I still then when it's all said and done,you're not going to miss Lucid.

 

'Rani

[Rani]

I highly doubt very few people will notice Lucid being gone, as from what I can tell, it is highly popular (its always sold out, right along with Noir and Birquq). And I appreciate being told to "suck it up and quit whining." I'm pretty sure the value of your opinion is no greater than mine, Rani. But hey, Eric could just be listening to the folks who prefer Noir, meaning their opinions indeed do hold higher value. If this is the case, then I will "suck it up and quit whining." I will also start buying more Nakhla than I usually do since my favorite line of tobacco is gone, while I whine. :) In the end, Eric's gotta do what he's gotta do for his business, and I respect that.

 

I think you meant "don't appreciate", lol...... The opinion that matters is the guy who owns the business.  He did do a poll, and the majority said if he was going to drop a line drop Lucid, so he made the choice for his business.  I'm not intentionally being harsh, but..... I really hate that when Wells Fargo took over Wacovia, they submerged Wacovia with it's better customer service.  They don't care what I think, they're doing what the majority want - to keep the bigger known name.  I'd really like the sun to come up in the West but that's not happening either.  There are things you can fix, there are things you gots to live with.  When you've gots to live with it, suck it up and quit whining because frankly you're indulging your own bad temper and accomplishing nothing.  I tell myself to suck it up and quit whining more than I ever tell anybody else.  There's so much more positive things to do than drone on about the "Wah!  I don't get it my way!" issues in life.

 

'Rani

[joytron]

 

You guys being disappointed?  Nonsense.  Lucid was popular mostly because it was EASY.  Less acclimation problems etc.  Birquq is also easy.  Fewer acclimation issues, and it smokes amazingly well.  Plus Eric actually asked his customers which he should drop, and most people thought Lucid was the one that should go.  If it's a flavor issue, well you'll be just fine.  He's moving a great many of the original Lucid flavors over into the Birquq formula.  So really..... Guaranteed very, VERY few people will even notice it's gone once the transition is made.  You know the difficulty of manufacturing three different lines in one smallish facility is a good part of the reason there have been shortages.......  All around this is a good move.  So suck it up and quite whining.

 

'Rani

I really don't see how this in any way is a good move. I far prefer Noir and Lucid to Bbirqurq. I don't see how having a heat sensitive tobacco and making it more heat sensitive really solves anyone's problems. I choose Lucid over Noir simply because of the lower nicotine content. I don't really see the point of smoking high nicotine if you are just going to acclimate yourself to it eventually. My lady is quite sensitive to nicotine levels and Noir just seems to make her sick. Aside from Watermelon/Lime and New Strawberry, which both perform exceptionally well in Lucid, the flavors in the Birqurq line IMO have been less than stellar. I get that manufacturing three lines is difficult, I just think the error was in adding Burley and Birqurq.

 

 

YOU prefer Lucid.  However, you're also a member of Tangiers.us so I know you saw the poll.  You can't base an entire business around what a few people want when the majority want something else.  Look, let's be honest.  

 

Eric's flavors are, well, "different" for lack of a better word.  He discontinues pineapple, blueberry, etc. and goes with Static Starlight.  I mean really, what's up with that?  He just doesn't do what he considers garden variety common flavors.  He likes mixes.  With few exceptions, almost every one of his flavors is really a mix.  A little berry, a grapefruit undertone, etc.  I personally wish frankly he went a little more mainstream.  I don't choose a lot of his flavors for that reason and I have zero acclimation issues with any of his lines.  I do think your flavor issues are going to be resolved as he moves the Lucid flavors over into Birquq.  So far the Birquq line has been additional flavors.  These flavors in Noir, these in Lucid, these in Burley, and these in Birquq.  It appears that's going to change from his new flavor listing.  

 

I can't answer personally about acclimation because since I live it the same weather zone, I can smoke anything he produces right out of the bag.  But the reports coming in are that Birquq acclimates more easily.  And he says himself that it's more humidity resistant.  Humidity being the entire reasoning why acclimation is necessary.  He's going to be using a lower nicotine tobacco so that should end your lady's problems with nicotine and she should be able to smoke it.  Note I said SHOULD because until she actually does, there's no guarantee.  I still then when it's all said and done,you're not going to miss Lucid.

 

'Rani

 

I have smoked the same flavors in Lucid and Birqurq and preferred them in Lucid. It may very well be true that more people prefer Noir to Lucid and more people prefer Birqurq to Lucid on the tiny very biased population sample that is tangiers.us. But irregardless, I believe that happens for several reasons. One of them being that Eric personally prefers those two lines and two that both lines have higher nicotine. The thing is I doubt that hardly anyone on .us (myself included prefers Birqurq to Noir.) I believe having Noir and Lucid is better beneficially not just to me, but also from a business standpoint compared to a low nicotine birqurq and Noir. 

[joytron]

I highly doubt very few people will notice Lucid being gone, as from what I can tell, it is highly popular (its always sold out, right along with Noir and Birquq). And I appreciate being told to "suck it up and quit whining." I'm pretty sure the value of your opinion is no greater than mine, Rani. But hey, Eric could just be listening to the folks who prefer Noir, meaning their opinions indeed do hold higher value. If this is the case, then I will "suck it up and quit whining." I will also start buying more Nakhla than I usually do since my favorite line of tobacco is gone, while I whine. :) In the end, Eric's gotta do what he's gotta do for his business, and I respect that.

 

I think you meant "don't appreciate", lol...... The opinion that matters is the guy who owns the business.  He did do a poll, and the majority said if he was going to drop a line drop Lucid, so he made the choice for his business.  I'm not intentionally being harsh, but..... I really hate that when Wells Fargo took over Wacovia, they submerged Wacovia with it's better customer service.  They don't care what I think, they're doing what the majority want - to keep the bigger known name.  I'd really like the sun to come up in the West but that's not happening either.  There are things you can fix, there are things you gots to live with.  When you've gots to live with it, suck it up and quit whining because frankly you're indulging your own bad temper and accomplishing nothing.  I tell myself to suck it up and quit whining more than I ever tell anybody else.  There's so much more positive things to do than drone on about the "Wah!  I don't get it my way!" issues in life.

 

'Rani

 

I merely stated that I am disappointed with the decision. You are actually complaining about us complaining. Really, Rani? Think about it. 

[Rani]

Not going to quote, because it's getting long...... You're correct, there are some flavors he does bring across the lines, but there aren't that many.  And I'm not pretending I don't have a bone to pick with his flavors at times because hey, how many times have we begged and pleaded for a Pumpkin Spice type of flavor?  Years and years.  I don't know that his poll was tiny.  It wasn't only on the website, but also in the lounge.  If he's made a mistake and sales reflect it as such,  he too is going to have to suck it up, quit whining and shift gears.  Happens to the best of us.

 

'Rani

[Rani]

 

I highly doubt very few people will notice Lucid being gone, as from what I can tell, it is highly popular (its always sold out, right along with Noir and Birquq). And I appreciate being told to "suck it up and quit whining." I'm pretty sure the value of your opinion is no greater than mine, Rani. But hey, Eric could just be listening to the folks who prefer Noir, meaning their opinions indeed do hold higher value. If this is the case, then I will "suck it up and quit whining." I will also start buying more Nakhla than I usually do since my favorite line of tobacco is gone, while I whine. :) In the end, Eric's gotta do what he's gotta do for his business, and I respect that.

 

I think you meant "don't appreciate", lol...... The opinion that matters is the guy who owns the business.  He did do a poll, and the majority said if he was going to drop a line drop Lucid, so he made the choice for his business.  I'm not intentionally being harsh, but..... I really hate that when Wells Fargo took over Wacovia, they submerged Wacovia with it's better customer service.  They don't care what I think, they're doing what the majority want - to keep the bigger known name.  I'd really like the sun to come up in the West but that's not happening either.  There are things you can fix, there are things you gots to live with.  When you've gots to live with it, suck it up and quit whining because frankly you're indulging your own bad temper and accomplishing nothing.  I tell myself to suck it up and quit whining more than I ever tell anybody else.  There's so much more positive things to do than drone on about the "Wah!  I don't get it my way!" issues in life.

 

'Rani

 

I merely stated that I am disappointed with the decision. You are actually complaining about us complaining. Really, Rani? Think about it. 

 

Yep, but if you want to keep going I've got a few windmills you're welcome to tilt at too.  And you know I love you Joytron, but how much of our lives that we're never going to get back and we both now wasted on whining?  LOL.....

 

'Rani

[Chreees]

What I don't get is how were our posts considered whining? We were merely stating our opinions. This bit seems counterproductive to the conversation at hand... Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I agree with Jess, doing a poll on just .us is guaranteed to give you certain results (majority of folks there are gung-ho about Noir). I'm sure he did polling elsewhere in some sort of way, regardless. Again, while I disagree with the decision, I respect it, because it's what he thinks is best for business.

[Rani]

I would say Chris whining is only whining when it's complaining about something you can do nothing about.  And God knows I've done my share about this or that or whatever.  It would not have been whining to say "Dammit!  I love Lucid and I'm going to miss it.  Maybe he'll bring it back.  Maybe we need to start a campaign to bring it back."  Even "I'm pissed at Eric, but I guess he's got to do what he's got to do."  Nothing of that was really said here when I was referencing whining.  It came across as more, I don't know "dire" maybe?.  He said he's making nicotine changes to Birqurq so I think it's more a "wait and see" what ends up as the result instead of "I'm bummed".  Really?  Personally I'm going to be bummed about the 5.5 million kids we have in this country going to bed hungry tonight.  But about my tobacco?  Nope.

 

'Rani

[Chreees]

Okay... I honestly don't even know what to reply with at this point that could possibly make my point clearer. We'll just have to agree to disagree on whether Jess and I are whining or not just because we said we're disappointed to see Lucid go. Lets return to the topic at hand, I guess.

[Pavo21]

i know i voted for lucid to go away, i never use it no one i know every smokes it. but birquq is used and smoked also is the same priceas lucid so if he made a better lucid aka birquq why keep lucid? 

[A Sharrp SYBIAN]

From what i hear I sounds like he will downgrade Birquq into a low nicotine grade id social smoke type tobacco. The new birquq may have no buzz a all... This could potentially be very bad... I hope this doesn't happen. Birquq is amazing! Why change an already successful formula? 

[Pavo21]

i dont get a buzz from any nicotineso thats not what i go for. i go for flavor and clouds and does it last. so with all that in mind there wont be any down grade

[mustang67n]

doesn't really effect me. i'm not a huge fan of either birquq or lucid.

 

I know jess and chris like it though.. so i'm sad for you guys.

[Pavo21]

im not a massive birquq fan but i do smoke it sometimes. :) but i am sure eric will think of something to make those lucid freaks happy :)

[dizzbizz]

I only smoked Noir and had birquq, or whatever it is, at his lounge. I always prefer Noir so that's what I would order. Never had Lucid. Don't really care. Just wanted to put in my two cents.

[Chreees]

I do want to add that it's not like I wouldn't be able to adjust or something crazy like that. I am sure I'll be able to adapt over to liking Birquq more. But right now I just don't. It's more finicky with heat, and seems harder to get "just right." Whereas with Lucid I don't have to worry about a thing, especially when I'm drunk with friends trying to manage two hookahs at a time. Also, I've only really had Birquq shine out of a Pico bowl with two cocos stonehenged. This is somewhat of an issue, as I often set up two or three hookahs at a time these days, because I smoke with friends. That means I either have to buy more Pico bowls or learn how to perfect Birquq in a Mini, which I know is possible, just annoying when I already have a good system going with Lucid. Even with Birquq in a Pico, there were times when it just wasn't as good for some reason. One session the flavor would be very vivid, the next it would be meh. With Lucid, it never lets me down. I avoid Noir mostly because of the tobacco undertones, and the times I've packed it for friends and put it beside another hookah with Lucid, they preferred the Lucid, without me explaining the difference. I will say, though, I had a really awesome time when I set up Birquq in two hookahs. But like I said, sometimes the flavor won't be as good. Another reason I avoid Noir is I often take my hookahs to friends' houses, and it isn't exactly feasible to expect to be able to acclimate your tobacco in their house or outside or whatever. Why I tend to fall back on Lucid a lot. I could go on, I'm sure, but I think this is enough for now. I gotta head to work.

[DrSmokes]

As long as my favorite flavors move over and there isn't much of a difference, or perhaps a stronger flavor, then I'll be a happy camper.  I just hope this change will increase the production so when I run out, I can make 1 big order to reduce on shipping costs (or get free shipping).  That has been my problem over the past 2 years...so many flavors have been OOS when I go to buy.