azcoyote Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 HH package came this morning before I'd smoked anything I thought I'd dive into itPissed as I am with imports being so short weighted I ordered 5 flavors to give HH a chance to distinguish themselves as honest. They have great packaging for their 50 grams units, a very quality plastic mini tub with a tight screw on top. I emptied one of the containers to calculate the net. If you do this, you will find the jar comes in at 23 g. Here's the weigh in: net weight deficitAcai Berry - 45.5 9%Vanilla 44.8 11%Lemonade 46.8 7%Jamaican Rum 44.5 11%Kiwi 46.3 8%------------------------------------------------------average 45.58 9%The seller sent a sample single shot of KIWI but it's- one of the flavors i ordered. It is appreciated, but I think it would make more sense for them to send something else. Go figure.KIWI REVIEWOpened container and let sit on desk in from of me for 15 minutes. The smell is yummy. Really reminds me of ripe kiwis. I want to eat it smells so good!Setup:18" Taquiz Jr. one hose with standard glazed ceramic bowl. DYI foil cover to help keep heat in.Packed enough for a solo smoke, . About a flat but packed tablespoon. Texture of shisha was fine, though not glistening with glycerine and not brightly colored ( a plus in my book, no finger stains). No stems at all! It fluffed up easily and came up within a quarter inch of the reynolds wrap heavy foil. Random hole pattern from rim to center. Used two pieces of finger type coals. 1.5 and .5" Started with the larger one . Placed coal on foil and blew downward for a minute to preheat. Drew for five minutes before getting anything. Added the second smaller coal and it got good real quick after that. Flavor very delicious, just like it smells. Nice thickness, though not as good as some. It's now about 45 minutes into the session and still smoking great, but needs another coal by now. I will add to this one and finish review when I get to the unsmokable point. Now getting mild buzz, but my tolerance today is pretty high having smoked a lot of AW yesterday. Just added coal and it's smoking like a champ 50 minutes into this and flavor is holding up very well. Nice clean fruity taste, pleasantly tart. For a delicate flavor, I think it is holding up remarkabley well. Still distinctly a kiwi taste.Just flipped the pad over and replaced coal. Terrible burnt taste. Removed foil and though there was actual smoldering in the bowl. Tobacco still flexible but not enough glyscerine left to keep do the trick. Emptied bowl and removed. No shisha juice at all on grommet. First time I've seen that.Total quality time: 60 minutes.I was a bit dissappointed that it took so long to get good clouds. Likely that residual (or added) water needed to cook off before it could smoke well. Maybe I should have started with both coals. Next time I'l try that.So far...Flavor 9.5 Packaging 10.weight 9.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersianPride Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Um bro there is something called the law of large numbers. In order for you to accurately make a conclusion you have to either repeat the experiment over and over again or work with large quantities so as to reduce human error. In other words 50g is way to sensitive a weight to play around with.But yeah like your reviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownZero Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 I've been curious about a kiwi shisha for awhile.. I liked kiwis growing up... but haven't had one since I was like 12 or something. Nice review, I want to get my hands on some HH kiwi now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 18, 2006 Author Share Posted September 18, 2006 [quote name='PersianPride']Um bro there is something called the law of large numbers. In order for you to accurately make a conclusion you have to either repeat the experiment over and over again or work with large quantities so as to reduce human error. In other words 50g is way to sensitive a weight to play around with.[/quote] True. But this is a random sample from the the universe of hundreds or thousands of 50 gram containers at the seller's disposal. I agree that a larger sample would be preferrable, but this can be accomplished by everyone weighing their purchases and aggegating the data here. If the 50 gram size is so sensitive, how is it that there were no errors to the plus side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumonshoe Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 azcoyote nice review. Very detailed and i am appreciative... Now i want kiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 [quote name='PersianPride']Um bro there is something called the law of large numbers. In order for you to accurately make a conclusion you have to either repeat the experiment over and over again or work with large quantities so as to reduce human error. In other words 50g is way to sensitive a weight to play around with. But yeah like your reviews [/quote] You're missapplying that rule. In industry, it is commonly accepted practice to audit product quality/workmanship/failure rates by selecting a couple of units at random from a large amount and making conclusions about the entire inventory based on a few samples. You are referring to a statistical probability and experimental design, Az is simply evaluating the mass of different products from one manufacturer by a few randomly drawn samples.Az has the best point of all, if you were going to develop an average, you find that the average for "50g" packages is below 50g...there is much accuracy in that all the numbers seem to be naging around 45g, there are no outliers above 50g. We must examine the technological end, it would be incomprehensible for a manufacturer not to have a scale with a uncertanty of .1g, so for all intents and purposes, even with a double error, there should be a tightly spaced group between 49.8g and 50.2g. Errors of this magnatude can only be explained by intent to short people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 18, 2006 Author Share Posted September 18, 2006 Looking at the totals, I figure my order of 5 flavors was short by 22.1grams. HH can make it up to me by tossing me a handful of shots. If anyone there is listening, your actions will be duly noted in this thread. Fortunately there is no inner seal on their jars; it will be possible for them to add some to make it right for everyone from here on out. If they won't do that, then they have my nomination for the Shisha Hall of Infamous Theives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersianPride Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 @Tangiers and azcoyoteWell it applies to a lesser extent here but if you measure out 250ml of water and then transfer it from various vessels in an experiment during these steps water can always be left behind due to human error however realistic water can't be added. 2ml isn't going to suddenly drop from the roof into the container but 2 ml can always be left behind in a vessel. Similarly as you transfer the tobacco juices and tobacco can be left behind however there is no event where tobacco can be added. Also I don't know what weight your using but household weight are not sensitive at low weights. I'll tell you what I can do the ones at my uni measure to 3 decimal places in a partial vacuum I'll measure some of my new al waha so we can conclude if something is fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthHookah Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 dude, all of this is fishy. he has an average of 9% defeciency. i would understand if the weight fluxuated at around 50-ish (like tang said, 49.8, 50.2). the fact that all of these jars are short speaks volumes to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Yeah, I have been meaning too use one of the analytical balances in the lab to weigh my shisha, but I felt it might look kind of weird if some one walked in. And, I know what chemicals have been weiged on those balances and I do not want it any where near something I am going to inhale. The last thing I want to smoke is some paraformaldehyde or Ethidium Bromide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 How is it that Al Amir and Sultan are always dead on, whereas HH, Nahkla, and Layalina come up short consistently? Perhaps equipment is an issue, but it shouldn't be...a trade legal scale that weighs to .1g can be had for $400...a drop in the bucket for companies of this size. It really doesn't matter why some companies are short and others dead on, the fact that it is true is what should be disturbing. I weigh tobacco all the time. I'm here to tell ya, its not too hard to make sure all of your packages are at weight. If you wanted, you could even add an extra gram, just to make sure, if it was important to make sure the customer was getting what they believed the package weighed. I do it, I think if I say "250g" on a package, my integrity is on that package, if it weighs 249g, then that makes me a liar. Then there is a problem that needs to be addressed. All your points are more or less right, PersianPride, as far as the whys. Would anybody be upset if McDonalds only filled your cup up 91% of the way? Would someone be annoyed if the gas station was charging you for a full gallon, but only giving you .91 gallons? If one of us bought a whole roasted chicken, would we get upset if it was missing a wing? Open a can, find it 91% full, buy a pair of pants with a 34" waist and find that its only 91% of that. We all rely on measurments of things and they should be accurate.Sorry for ranting a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSolitude Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 amen to tangiers rant.gimme my gawldurned shisha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_D Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Excellent points mentioned by Tangiers.The bottom line is that we buy by weight. I use about 5g per session so i know that a 50g box should last about 10 sessions. So I buy, usually once a month, to last that month...So if i'm missing an Average %~10 Then the last week of the paye month i am going to have the hump!JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caro Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 AZ, how's the lemonade? I'm almost scared to try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 [quote name='Caro']AZ, how's the lemonade? I'm almost scared to try it.[/quote] Have not tried it yet but will review it in time. They did well with the tartness on KIwi, so I'm expecting that would be true for lemonade. We'll see. Sampled the vanilla this morning. Smelled wonderful but only a faint taste of vanilla which was gone ten minutes after it arrived. Tossed it out after 20 min. Not worth my time for a full-scale review when there is nothing positive to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caro Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Yeah, the vanilla isn't my favorite. Butterscotch is what got me hooked though. It'll change your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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