Caro Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 what do you mix the soex with? Just to get a better smoke or for flavor too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_D Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='Caro']what do you mix the soex with? Just to get a better smoke or for flavor too?[/quote] Dont' want to drag this off-topic. Will post a new thread.JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] After exactly an hour on the dash of my truck 45 g of HH lemonade lostexactly (+/- .05g) 7.89g of H20. I will update at the end of hour two. [IMG]smileys/smiley19.gif" align="middle" />[/quote] Deduct an additional 2.5 (2nd hr's evaporation) + 7.89 = 10.39/45=23-percent water content overall. Update at end of third hour to follow.[/quote] After addition 1:22 drying under same conditions sample lost another 3.03g.Aggregate water loses over 3hrs 30 min appox time: 13.42g/45= 29% water in sample. Will continue to update until I get two consecutive reading within .2g.[/quote] I left the shop yesterday around 4 pm local time. Set the pan on my desk . Arrived 8:30 this mornng and weighed sample. It had lost an addtional 4.77g of water. 13.42 + 4.77 = 18.19g./45 = 40% H2O in sample.....will update in an hour or so.Thanks everyone your interest and encouragement. Tang. I will be pleased to test a sample of your goods. To make the results totally beyond question I really should obtain all samples through normal retail channels. Maybe you can issue a merchandise credit to one of your retail distributors for this and I will pay the shipping. PM me if you'd like to get this going.To anyone out there with an unopened container and a scale, these tests should be replicated to eliminate any question of error or bias on my part. If several of us obtain very similar data we can all be confident in the results.It would be highly desireable for all reviewers perform both a wiegh in and a dry off before packing the test bowl.I'm placing the stuff back on the dashboard at 9:20 local time and will update post at 10:30 or thereabouts. [/quote] At 10:30 weighed pan and noted additonal water loss of 1.25gto recap: 18.19 + 1.25 = 19.44/45 = 43.% water. Next weigh in scheduled @ 11:40 am MST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsboy Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 azcoyote, you should word with the FDA ..Tangier, get on the wagon man, start making some serious cash here... This honesty thing does not pay off anymore .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] After exactly an hour on the dash of my truck 45 g of HH lemonade lostexactly (+/- .05g) 7.89g of H20. I will update at the end of hour two. [IMG]smileys/smiley19.gif" align="middle" />[/quote] Deduct an additional 2.5 (2nd hr's evaporation) + 7.89 = 10.39/45=23-percent water content overall. Update at end of third hour to follow.[/quote] After addition 1:22 drying under same conditions sample lost another 3.03g.Aggregate water loses over 3hrs 30 min appox time: 13.42g/45= 29% water in sample. Will continue to update until I get two consecutive reading within .2g.[/quote] I left the shop yesterday around 4 pm local time. Set the pan on my desk . Arrived 8:30 this mornng and weighed sample. It had lost an addtional 4.77g of water. 13.42 + 4.77 = 18.19g./45 = 40% H2O in sample.....will update in an hour or so.Thanks everyone your interest and encouragement. Tang. I will be pleased to test a sample of your goods. To make the results totally beyond question I really should obtain all samples through normal retail channels. Maybe you can issue a merchandise credit to one of your retail distributors for this and I will pay the shipping. PM me if you'd like to get this going.To anyone out there with an unopened container and a scale, these tests should be replicated to eliminate any question of error or bias on my part. If several of us obtain very similar data we can all be confident in the results.It would be highly desireable for all reviewers perform both a wiegh in and a dry off before packing the test bowl.I'm placing the stuff back on the dashboard at 9:20 local time and will update post at 10:30 or thereabouts. [/quote] At 10:30 weighed pan and noted additonal water loss of 1.25gto recap: 18.19 + 1.25 = 19.44/45 = 43.% water. Next weigh in scheduled @ 11:40 am MST[/quote] 11:35 results:Weighed pan and noted additional water loss of 1.32 g. (it's warming up out there)to recap 19.44 + 1.32 =20.76/45 = 46% water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caro Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Wait a second, shisha has liquid in it, obviously, whether it's molasses, honey, or glycerine. Any liquid contains water, so any liquid WILL evaporate. I highly doubt these people water their tobacco down just to cheat people into thinking it's 250 grams, and if they did then you'd be able to tell from the taste. In my experience, the taste is pretty damn good so they're doing something right. By saying you're not getting a full 250g of shisha because it evaporates is like saying you didn't get a full 16 oz. ice tea, because *shocked* part of it evaporates. I think it's awesome you did the test, but I think you left some points out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthHookah Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 i wonder what it is going to smoke like now? perhaps we can see some pictures of it now? what does HH have to sya about this?and tang- is there any possible reason that HH would want their product to be half water?and caro is right. at the very least, we need to do this test on other brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I think this is the beginning of an experiment using various brands, just happens that HH looks the wateriest...and he probably had some he thought wasn't worth smoking...Plus after the stunt with Hookahgirl and Hookahhottie HH isn't exactly on our favorite vendor list. You have to agree their conduct IS pretty unprofessional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCShisha Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Now that you have achieved approx. 45% weight loss, it would probably be a good time to take a sample and see how it smokes. If it doesn't smoke, it would seem that some of the evaporated liquid was essential to its function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
critterchops Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='Caro']Wait a second, shisha has liquid in it, obviously, whether it's molasses, honey, or glycerine. Any liquid contains water, so any liquid WILL evaporate. I highly doubt these people water their tobacco down just to cheat people into thinking it's 250 grams, and if they did then you'd be able to tell from the taste. In my experience, the taste is pretty damn good so they're doing something right. By saying you're not getting a full 250g of shisha because it evaporates is like saying you didn't get a full 16 oz. ice tea, because *shocked* part of it evaporates. I think it's awesome you did the test, but I think you left some points out.[/quote] 46% water!!!!Get real...hookahhookah is ripping people off with that amount of water it cannot be justified no matter what crap story they give.The only plus to all of this is maybe after the water is gone the flavor might be reasonabe now that it's concentrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='critterchops'] [quote name='Caro'] Wait a second, shisha has liquid in it, obviously, whether it's molasses, honey, or glycerine. Any liquid contains water, so any liquid WILL evaporate. I highly doubt these people water their tobacco down just to cheat people into thinking it's 250 grams, and if they did then you'd be able to tell from the taste. In my experience, the taste is pretty damn good so they're doing something right. By saying you're not getting a full 250g of shisha because it evaporates is like saying you didn't get a full 16 oz. ice tea, because *shocked* part of it evaporates. I think it's awesome you did the test, but I think you left some points out.[/quote] 46% water!!!!Get real...hookahhookah is ripping people off with that amount of water it cannot be justified no matter what crap story they give.The only plus to all of this is maybe after the water is gone the flavor might be reasonabe now that it's concentrated.[/quote] Thanks you for adding that. I will give it a try just as soon as the weight stablizes. BTW. If a sample of honey is set out, my guess is that it would actually pull water out of the air and show a increase in weight. Table sugar, sucrose, has the same hydophilic property. An everyday example is the crust that forms on the surface of a sugar bowl under humid conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caro Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 It's a scientific fact that liquid weighs more than solid, it would only be fair to say that it is 46% water if you separated all liquid from all solid and measured the mass. 46% of the WEIGHT is probable since each tiny piece of tobacco soaks up about it's mass worth of liquid, making it weigh more. I'd rather have more liquid, I feel like that saturates the tobacco more than a lot of the thick syrup, infusing it, in a way. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Runny liquid like in HH just runs out the bottom of my bowl through the holes leaving tobacco leaves and kinda a wet film. Atleast the thicker liquids stick to your shisha and are around to BE cooked by the coals...the flavour is in the liquid, and if it all drains out, what is there to smoke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='Caro']It's a scientific fact that liquid weighs more than solid, it would only be fair to say that it is 46% water if you separated all liquid from all solid and measured the mass. 46% of the WEIGHT is probable since each tiny piece of tobacco soaks up about it's mass worth of liquid, making it weigh more. I'd rather have more liquid, I feel like that saturates the tobacco more than a lot of the thick syrup, infusing it, in a way. Does that make sense?[/quote] Not really. Liquid always weighs more than solid? Take 50 grams of water. Freeze it solid. Reweigh. Never did this but I think it will still be 50 grams. If you are saying tobacco weights less than an equal volume of water, maybe so. I too also like plenty of glycerine, whih is what you are calling syrup. It is what "smokes" and carries the flavor. It adds sweetness. It is completely necessary. But it doesn't evaporate at the temperature I am using for this test. Does this make sense to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caro Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I found newspaper in my roommate's Al Waha! Talk about fudging the weight. What's this world coming to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MN Hookah Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Were did that come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthEastSmoker Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I've heard the NY Times smokes just like the Big Apple flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiKaL Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Well from my experience of accidently leaving shisha out and it drying up it doesnt go well. The flavor is gone and it is much harsher to smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caro Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='NorthEastSmoker']I've heard the NY Times smokes just like the Big Apple flavor.[/quote] This made me laugh out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] [quote name='azcoyote'] After exactly an hour on the dash of my truck 45 g of HH lemonade lostexactly (+/- .05g) 7.89g of H20. I will update at the end of hour two. [IMG]smileys/smiley19.gif" align="middle" />[/quote] Deduct an additional 2.5 (2nd hr's evaporation) + 7.89 = 10.39/45=23-percent water content overall. Update at end of third hour to follow.[/quote] After addition 1:22 drying under same conditions sample lost another 3.03g.Aggregate water loses over 3hrs 30 min appox time: 13.42g/45= 29% water in sample. Will continue to update until I get two consecutive reading within .2g.[/quote] I left the shop yesterday around 4 pm local time. Set the pan on my desk . Arrived 8:30 this mornng and weighed sample. It had lost an addtional 4.77g of water. 13.42 + 4.77 = 18.19g./45 = 40% H2O in sample.....will update in an hour or so.Thanks everyone your interest and encouragement. Tang. I will be pleased to test a sample of your goods. To make the results totally beyond question I really should obtain all samples through normal retail channels. Maybe you can issue a merchandise credit to one of your retail distributors for this and I will pay the shipping. PM me if you'd like to get this going.To anyone out there with an unopened container and a scale, these tests should be replicated to eliminate any question of error or bias on my part. If several of us obtain very similar data we can all be confident in the results.It would be highly desireable for all reviewers perform both a wiegh in and a dry off before packing the test bowl.I'm placing the stuff back on the dashboard at 9:20 local time and will update post at 10:30 or thereabouts. [/quote] At 10:30 weighed pan and noted additonal water loss of 1.25gto recap: 18.19 + 1.25 = 19.44/45 = 43.% water. Next weigh in scheduled @ 11:40 am MST[/quote] 11:35 results:Weighed pan and noted additional water loss of 1.32 g. (it's warming up out there)to recap 19.44 + 1.32 =20.76/45 = 46% water. [/quote] 12:38 results:Weighed pan and noted additional loss of .78g20.76 + .78 = 21.54/45 = 48 percent water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil_Spork Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 i think the honey and other flavor and moisture adding ingrediants are probably evaporating... it cant be that much water or there would be a little puddle of water in the bottom of the HH tubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halon Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Is it plausible that the excess water is to reduce harshness and therefore make it an 'easier' shisha to smoke? Maybe the excess water is there so that, when a person puts too much heat on, the water burns(evaporates) instead of the tobacco? I don't have much experience with HH tobacco, but layalina and fumari is decently wet tobacco and they can take a lot of heat. Tangiers says that his tobacco has very little water in it, and it's an extremely low heat tobacco.Now that being said, 48% water is a LOT of water. But maybe some of it is there to make it easily adaptable to different situations.I can see how this is probably not right, though, because supposedly all the water has to burn off anyway before the tobacco starts smoking? Or does just a certain percentage of the water evaporate at the beginning, and the rest kinda slowly evaporates over the rest of session?The more I think about it the more it sounds unreasonable, but I thought I'd throw it out here just in case.TYLER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcoyote Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 Evil -That's an interesting question. Why don't you take 10 grams of totally dessicated tobacco ("Top" cigarette tobacco is Virgina like HH) and see how much water it will absorb before puddles form. I look forward to hearing the results of your investigation. Until I hear otherwise if I am standing by my findings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caro Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 the liquid is where all the flavor is, so it's not burned off until the bowl's done. If you smoke for 20 minutes and take the coal off, then you'll notice that the tobacco is still damp. I think the extra moisture is there so that it stays fresher longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCShisha Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Tyler, from a non-scientific perspective, this sounds reasonable. Once AZCoyote smokes this stuff up, we should have a better idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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