Bye Bye, Sybian...

[Woodsytheowl]

Yeah but the comment he made in the shoutbox is not opinion, he made a false statement. It's like saying Tangiers doesn't last long. Or Nakhla is overpriced. It is a false statement.

 

His "opinion" was actually stating a false statement. Which is the issue with most things he said. He spread tons of false information constantly.

 

There is a difference.

 

Ah, but those statements are subjective yeah?

[Stuie]

Aren't we done with this yet????

[wek-sos]

 

Yeah but the comment he made in the shoutbox is not opinion, he made a false statement. It's like saying Tangiers doesn't last long. Or Nakhla is overpriced. It is a false statement.

 

His "opinion" was actually stating a false statement. Which is the issue with most things he said. He spread tons of false information constantly.

 

There is a difference.

 

Ah, but those statements are subjective yeah?

 

On top of that, the whole claims that he has been smoking 9+ years or whatever, when he has posted elsewhere that he has only been smoking 1 year, acclimates Tang next to an open window in the rain (and it gets wet), things like that. Arguing that UAE does not have Egyptian pipes because his friend (named Google Images) took a picture of Syrian pipes there. Posting Chinese pipes and then defending himself with claims of "Oh I was drunk" and then posting several poorly-spelled replies after that as proof of being drunk when he was clearly sober the whole time. 

 

It's not just the weird comments, it's the extent of how far he goes to defend himself, when anyone else would admit they were wrong and move on with life. Nobody cares if you, or Sybian, or I think Syrian or Turkish pipes are better. Nobody cares if you post up a Chinese hookah thinking it is Egyptian. Nobody cares if you do not like Tangiers or Nakhla. But for Pete's sake, don't try to shift everyone else's opinions because you disagree with one person's beliefs.

[mattarios2]

 

Yeah but the comment he made in the shoutbox is not opinion, he made a false statement. It's like saying Tangiers doesn't last long. Or Nakhla is overpriced. It is a false statement.

 

His "opinion" was actually stating a false statement. Which is the issue with most things he said. He spread tons of false information constantly.

 

There is a difference.

 

Ah, but those statements are subjective yeah?

 

 

Whether someone is influenced by personal feelings or whatever doesn't mean that stating false information is ok.

 

Tangiers lasts long, nakhla is one of the cheapest tobaccos you can get .... it is a FACT.  You put numbers to those things, numbers are factual evidence.

 

An opinion is ... Tangiers sucks.

[Chreees]

Jesus... This guy just doesn't get it, does he? Nice to know he's still reading the forum, though. :)

With all due respect Yes i was banned from 1 forum for a vulgar joke. I made another account because I was banned unjustly to begin with. Now idk who forest dweller is as that person is not me lol  All that being said, I was banned from a different forum for simply not knowing shit and making a joke about putting water o nmy tangiers to make it a washed tobacco. Yes i left my welsh cream acclimating next to a window while it rained. That was the 1st time i tried tangiers. I'm sure you hear that echoing from other former RHF members on every forum. A lot of trolling ensued and that led to my RHF ban. Every forum has the same people so when i came to HF i made a new name so members from rhf wouldnt recognize me and troll me. I wanted a new start on a diff forum.  I had only 1 HF account i was never banned before you banned me pretty much for no reason but changing topics and making simple idiotic mistakes. As far as my HP tenure went i was initially banned for a lewd joke in the chatbox.  If a ban is unjust, what is wrong with coming back to that said forum?  Especially when you relied on it to make sales when bills piled up. Also i have friends on every forum. I tried to help people best i can from the info i knew and i always sold products that were either new or in pristine (like new) condition. I never scammed anyone and never will because I never want to be scammed when money is involved honesty is all that matters. As far as FB goes if you work for a company how would you feel being checked out for having photos of guns, shooting ranges and hookah? You can get fired. I thought i was doing the right thing for not using my real name there only social networking site that has my real name is Linked in... In any case Lets put this behind us i have no need to hold a grudge because some meaningless person on the internet chooses to judge me. I love hookah but a lot of you forumers are very obsessive and it's better to not get crucified for changing topics and saying stupid shit. The internet was made for free speech. Honestly small mistakes can be made. You have no need to worry about me making a new HF account as i do not intend to ever comeback here. I have my reasons.
 
 I do not take simple errors like changing topics on a forum seriously. Only thing i take seriously is the people i do business with. This business between us was never HF business to begin with as i have friends on HF and i think you just had a personal problem with me and wanted a scapegoat either way i don't care anymore.  If anything you did me a huge favor banning me as now i won't waste time ill be able to spend more time working towards my Career. Honestly, the only thing i can do is thank you.
 
    Thank you, and Good day,
 
        Jason
 
 
P.S. I never had multiple accounts on HF. Idk if you're aware or not but you also had diff names on diff forums. All i'm saying is you shouldn't judge people who never wronged you or tried hurting you. That makes for a bad life. I always believed there's good in everyone and I believe that No one should ostracize or judge others without knowing the reasons why they did something. This is all i wanted to say i will never contact you regarding this again. Good luck to you.

 

I'm not even gonna bother responding...

[Woodsytheowl]

 

 

Yeah but the comment he made in the shoutbox is not opinion, he made a false statement. It's like saying Tangiers doesn't last long. Or Nakhla is overpriced. It is a false statement.

 

His "opinion" was actually stating a false statement. Which is the issue with most things he said. He spread tons of false information constantly.

 

There is a difference.

 

Ah, but those statements are subjective yeah?

 

 

Whether someone is influenced by personal feelings or whatever doesn't mean that stating false information is ok.

 

Tangiers lasts long, nakhla is one of the cheapest tobaccos you can get .... it is a FACT.  You put numbers to those things, numbers are factual evidence.

 

An opinion is ... Tangiers sucks.

 

 

Duration of what is considered "long" = subjective

 

booya

[joytron]

 

 

 

Yeah but the comment he made in the shoutbox is not opinion, he made a false statement. It's like saying Tangiers doesn't last long. Or Nakhla is overpriced. It is a false statement.

 

His "opinion" was actually stating a false statement. Which is the issue with most things he said. He spread tons of false information constantly.

 

There is a difference.

 

Ah, but those statements are subjective yeah?

 

 

Whether someone is influenced by personal feelings or whatever doesn't mean that stating false information is ok.

 

Tangiers lasts long, nakhla is one of the cheapest tobaccos you can get .... it is a FACT.  You put numbers to those things, numbers are factual evidence.

 

An opinion is ... Tangiers sucks.

 

 

Duration of what is considered "long" = subjective

 

booya

 

 

If you feel the value of Nakhla is less than the price, it is overpriced. Select flavors they make I would not smoke even if they were free, hence it costing anything is overpriced.

[joytron]

I think his response was very thoughtful and made a lot of good points. Perhaps our response in banning members we simply do not like could have a reason to do with why this forum has decreased in activity over the years. I really feel none of the "crimes" listed against him really warrant a ban. Just because you have the power to do so does not dictate any necessity. Anyways, if I was in the same position I hope members here would understand that ultimately, I mean well and my priority is to help people looking for advice.  

[Chreees]

Jess, you know I have always respected your opinion, and you also know I would never ban someone simply because I did not like him/her. I may disagree with someone on here or just find them annoying, but I'd never ban them for it. You can ask Mush- I tend to follow the rules as if they were the Constitution. With Sybian, I felt like there was nothing else I could do. I and other members had talked to him about it, he was officially warned, and he didn't change a thing. Complaints continued to flood into my inbox. Then there's the question of if he was driving away new members. I know for certain he was starting to drive away some of the older members, because they said so in their PMs.

As for driving away folks over the years, we've actually become extremely lax in the rules. I updated them recently, might want to take a look. Can't remember the last time I did a 7-day ban or whatever, I always feel better doing warnings and giving the person a second chance. Such as I did in this case. Anyway, I can assure you that no one has been banned simply because they were not liked. They did something that led to their ultimate banning. With how much we have changed the rules now, I don't see how anyone can complain. But I know that no matter what, someone is bound to. :)




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[mattarios2]

 

 

 

Yeah but the comment he made in the shoutbox is not opinion, he made a false statement. It's like saying Tangiers doesn't last long. Or Nakhla is overpriced. It is a false statement.

 

His "opinion" was actually stating a false statement. Which is the issue with most things he said. He spread tons of false information constantly.

 

There is a difference.

 

Ah, but those statements are subjective yeah?

 

 

Whether someone is influenced by personal feelings or whatever doesn't mean that stating false information is ok.

 

Tangiers lasts long, nakhla is one of the cheapest tobaccos you can get .... it is a FACT.  You put numbers to those things, numbers are factual evidence.

 

An opinion is ... Tangiers sucks.

 

 

Duration of what is considered "long" = subjective

 

booya

 

 

No you compare tangiers length to other tobaccos, tangiers lasts LONGER than those other tobaccos ... so it lasts long ... umm ... BOOYA!

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but the comment he made in the shoutbox is not opinion, he made a false statement. It's like saying Tangiers doesn't last long. Or Nakhla is overpriced. It is a false statement.

 

His "opinion" was actually stating a false statement. Which is the issue with most things he said. He spread tons of false information constantly.

 

There is a difference.

 

Ah, but those statements are subjective yeah?

 

 

Whether someone is influenced by personal feelings or whatever doesn't mean that stating false information is ok.

 

Tangiers lasts long, nakhla is one of the cheapest tobaccos you can get .... it is a FACT.  You put numbers to those things, numbers are factual evidence.

 

An opinion is ... Tangiers sucks.

 

 

Duration of what is considered "long" = subjective

 

booya

 

 

If you feel the value of Nakhla is less than the price, it is overpriced. Select flavors they make I would not smoke even if they were free, hence it costing anything is overpriced.

 

 

No that just means you don't like the flavor. If you don't like a Tangiers flavor or Fumari flavor people don't say that shit is overpriced ... they say ... I hate that flavor.

[â€On]

Okay, I swore to myself I would stay out of this topic, but there are a few things I need to clarify.

1: On March 26th Jason/Sybian said to Chris in a PM
 

 

 

 You have no need to worry about me making a new HF account as i do not intend to ever comeback here. I have my reasons.

 

Yet today, In the online users list I see this:
 

Guest 
(67.87.120.114) Viewing Topic:   Deprekate's Collection 28 March 2014 - 11:32 AM No options available  

 

That is Jason/Sybian's IP. Nobody else on HF has ever had that IP. So, he doesn't want to make an account, but he's more than happy to browse as a guest? That's an absolutely prime example of how he says one thing then does a completely different thing. This goes hand in hand with the mods warning him and him not listening to us and continuing to do his own thing, things which several long time members have complained about.

 

 

I think his response was very thoughtful and made a lot of good points. Perhaps our response in banning members we simply do not like could have a reason to do with why this forum has decreased in activity over the years. I really feel none of the "crimes" listed against him really warrant a ban. Just because you have the power to do so does not dictate any necessity. Anyways, if I was in the same position I hope members here would understand that ultimately, I mean well and my priority is to help people looking for advice.  

 

On my last point, the exact reason (as Chris mentioned) that we do *multiple* warnings, is that we don't want to steer people away! We want people to have a chance and understand when they have messed up, instead of just banning them right away. One part of why the forum has decreased activity is because of childish and idiotic flame war that HJ and his forum cronies had with us. We lost tons of active members when that went down, and I can guarantee if someone found RHF first, they would not be encouraged to sign up here as well, and if they mentioned it, members would probably talk about how crappy it is here. But, whatever, that's only my opinion and it is only one part of why the forum has decreased in activity. Another reason is that there is a plateau in the hookah world. There is tons of stuff to learn and experiment with, but once you know the ins and outs of it, everything pretty much seems the same. So, it's not until some new product or technique (hah, been a while since I've seen one of those) comes along that it gets those of us on the plateau interested. Why do you think there are members who get 2-3k posts and then vanish? Then we see them pop up for a week or so after a couple years, I can't help but imagine they are going "hmm, wonder if there is anything new in the hookah world that I should check out?" and then they get here and not much has changed, because the hookah world has not changed much. That's just how it goes. My opinion is that there just isn't enough engaging content to keep people active, which explains why most weeks the off topic threads are way more active. Jesus, look how off-topic most threads get, including this one. There is literally a Tangiers versus Nak debate going on above me! Frankly, I find that hilarious. Anyways, couple that with the redirect issue that we can't fix because Adrock is, mostly, unreachable and you've got a recipe for stagnation. But, that's not to say that banning people doesn't play into pushing people away, I just don't think it's a major factor.

 

I think the biggest reason for this ban is simply that he can't stop lying and spouting misinformation. When the lying is harmless, I don't care, but when he is giving newbies advice that is so absolutely wrong (and would possibly push them away from hookah instead of learning the correct ways to enjoy it), I can't help but support his banning. I feel bad for the guy, because I know he is just trying to fit in and having a hard time doing that, but if he just came here as a newbie and let us help him as we would a newbie, we wouldn't be in this situation. He brought it on himself.

[Codyb88]

I TLDR'd but I'll say I come from RHF originally and I've never seen one discouraging/derogatory post in regards to HF. Actually I do remember one, but only one and the whole situation was stupid and was long ago. There are a plethora of members like myself who are members of all of the major hookah forums and we enjoy hookah and could care less about petty squabbles. I'm going to buy what I want and support who I want but I'm not going to "war" over hookah. From what I have seen as well there really aren't any cronies per se either. Just my $.02 from someone who evaluates things based on all angles non-subjectively. Edited March 28, 2014 by Codyb88

[â€On]

I TLDR'd but I'll say I come from RHF originally and I've never seen one discouraging/derogatory post in regards to HF. Actually I do remember one, but only one and the whole situation was stupid and was long ago. There are a plethora of members like myself who are members of all of the major hookah forums and we enjoy hookah and could care less about petty squabbles. I'm going to buy what I want and support who I want but I'm not going to "war" over hookah. From what I have seen as well there really aren't any cronies per se either. Just my $.02 from someone who evaluates things based on all angles non-subjectively.

 

Well I'm glad to see that that is one account that I'm not entirely right on. Both forums look down upon bashing of the other forum, but I do know for a fact that HJ has his cronies, since we saw a massive influx during that time of people just trying to spam and troll over here, people from RHF. I know that's not the norm, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. ANYWAYS, enough about all that, it was a long time ago and it's all done and over with so there isn't any reason to talk about it, the only reason I brought it up was to highlight one of the reasons why membership has dropped off.

[Codyb88]

I TLDR'd but I'll say I come from RHF originally and I've never seen one discouraging/derogatory post in regards to HF. Actually I do remember one, but only one and the whole situation was stupid and was long ago. There are a plethora of members like myself who are members of all of the major hookah forums and we enjoy hookah and could care less about petty squabbles. I'm going to buy what I want and support who I want but I'm not going to "war" over hookah. From what I have seen as well there really aren't any cronies per se either. Just my $.02 from someone who evaluates things based on all angles non-subjectively.

 
Well I'm glad to see that that is one account that I'm not entirely right on. Both forums look down upon bashing of the other forum, but I do know for a fact that Banned Vendor has his cronies, since we saw a massive influx during that time of people just trying to spam and troll over here, people from RHF. I know that's not the norm, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. ANYWAYS, enough about all that, it was a long time ago and it's all done and over with so there isn't any reason to talk about it, the only reason I brought it up was to highlight one of the reasons why membership has dropped off.

I suggest RL friends to both forums. This forum just seems to be lacking in one thing I've noticed and that's new and exciting hookah products and info about them. Other than that it refer to the review section here more than most other forums based on the ease of finding them.

[KnightHawk63]

 

 

I TLDR'd but I'll say I come from RHF originally and I've never seen one discouraging/derogatory post in regards to HF. Actually I do remember one, but only one and the whole situation was stupid and was long ago. There are a plethora of members like myself who are members of all of the major hookah forums and we enjoy hookah and could care less about petty squabbles. I'm going to buy what I want and support who I want but I'm not going to "war" over hookah. From what I have seen as well there really aren't any cronies per se either. Just my $.02 from someone who evaluates things based on all angles non-subjectively.

 
Well I'm glad to see that that is one account that I'm not entirely right on. Both forums look down upon bashing of the other forum, but I do know for a fact that Banned Vendor has his cronies, since we saw a massive influx during that time of people just trying to spam and troll over here, people from RHF. I know that's not the norm, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. ANYWAYS, enough about all that, it was a long time ago and it's all done and over with so there isn't any reason to talk about it, the only reason I brought it up was to highlight one of the reasons why membership has dropped off.

I suggest RL friends to both forums. This forum just seems to be lacking in one thing I've noticed and that's new and exciting hookah products and info about them. Other than that it refer to the review section here more than most other forums based on the ease of finding them.

 

HJ also has a store attached to his boards so you get to see all those exciting new hookah products and such. At least more in your face.

[Codyb88]

 

 

I TLDR'd but I'll say I come from RHF originally and I've never seen one discouraging/derogatory post in regards to HF. Actually I do remember one, but only one and the whole situation was stupid and was long ago. There are a plethora of members like myself who are members of all of the major hookah forums and we enjoy hookah and could care less about petty squabbles. I'm going to buy what I want and support who I want but I'm not going to "war" over hookah. From what I have seen as well there really aren't any cronies per se either. Just my $.02 from someone who evaluates things based on all angles non-subjectively.

 
Well I'm glad to see that that is one account that I'm not entirely right on. Both forums look down upon bashing of the other forum, but I do know for a fact that Banned Vendor has his cronies, since we saw a massive influx during that time of people just trying to spam and troll over here, people from RHF. I know that's not the norm, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. ANYWAYS, enough about all that, it was a long time ago and it's all done and over with so there isn't any reason to talk about it, the only reason I brought it up was to highlight one of the reasons why membership has dropped off.

I suggest RL friends to both forums. This forum just seems to be lacking in one thing I've noticed and that's new and exciting hookah products and info about them. Other than that it refer to the review section here more than most other forums based on the ease of finding them.
 

Banned Vendor also has a store attached to his boards so you get to see all those exciting new hookah products and such. At least more in your face.

You're right. If there were more "insider people" or vendors here that would be nice giving cool updates on new stuff but nonetheless as I said I enjoy HF too. I apologize for the temporary derailment based on the threads title by the way.