Genuine Hookah Review

[reignasiatic]

The reason he repackages the Nakhla is beneficial for us international orders. The gouverment is really unfair with the taxes that come with tobacco. I highly doubt he was trying to 'trick people' So another win for you mushrat, making it harder for us to get some decent shisha at a fair price..I wonder if i will get banned now..

[Pieces]

[quote name='PersianPride']Wait why was he banned? I certainly didn't notice anything. This is becoming a little worrisome what with the anti-supplier mentality that we are adopting.[/quote]

We're not adopting an anti-supplier/dealer/retailer mentality. While I was not around for this and have no bias either way, it's obviously directed to this single person. If you look around, there are other praises for dealers we know and love, Social Smoke being among the top of that list.

[mushrat]

actually reigned...repackageing it is one thing, claiming its NOT tobacco is outright fraud.

You want Nakhla, I'll be happy to do for you what i've done for others and send it along marked as Gift. I'm willing to bet 99% of his buyers were inside the us. so don't lay that crap on me. He was lying to get around the ebay rule about not selling tobacco, period. I can say with a fair amount of surity he wasn't doing it for the benifit of the few over seas buyers he was getting...

And lets see..out of 14 buyers of tobacco on his 1st page of feedback, 1 was canadian...And I understand Nakhla is actually fairly easy and cheap to come by in Canada...so lets try that again shall we reigned?

[Oggie505]

How come most people that bash GH have never ordered from him? I will agree he go out of line on the forums, but it was because people on here were accuseing him of a lot of stuff about 90% of it was complete BS, I remember when he got accused of not being authorized to sell mya's, and he actually is, I recieved an email from Mya stating he is authorized. To bring up details of what he sells on ebay is uncalled for in my opinion. I mean if you saying he is fraud and other things like that then you need to lookat this forum. Hell, you have a tradeing section, which is out right illegal to trade tobbacco, even though you put a disclaimer on the forum it doe snot matter, the hos tof this site hookahkings, would still be liable for illegal tobacco tradeing and possibly supporting the trade with minors.

Now I know there will be a lot of bashing of me now I have said some things, so I will le tit begin. Mush knows for certain that I am not affileated with GH or any other hookah vendor..lol

[mushrat]

Oggie: he is a liar and a cheat. Period. I HAVE had personal experiences with him as a buyer a while back and It was not pleasant. So its ok to be a child molestor as long as you aren't doing anything like that on the forum? gimme a break.

As far as trading on the forum, Tangiers makes you send proof of age for samples. If you send a sample to someone who isn't the legal age beacsue they put up for a trade in the trade section, YOU can be held legally responible. So it's up to YOU to make sure the person you are sending to tobacco to is 18 if its in the US. Hookah kings isn;t responsible..I mean, we can ban trading posts if you think its legally necessary.

But he is outright lying about what he has and what he is selling. He is/was claiming his stuff was tobacco free, even though he admitted it was simply Nakla. Now, just suppose someone comes along who doesn't know any better, thinks its like soex. Buys it because he/she can't have tobacco for what ever reason...ans smokes it. Gets sick because it really IS tobacco and GH outright lied about it, you feel thats ok and shouldn't reflect on what happens here??? He's a commercial site, pushing his wares HERE, while misleading the public as to what he's selling...and this is ok to you?

I'mnot bashing, and recall, GH got banned for his behavior here which had NOTHING to do with his ebay sales, I was merely pointing out his low moral character in other places as well as here. You can buy from hima ll you want. though I dont think the last guy in england was real thrilled with his transaction...

[Oggie505]

No, I understand where you are comming from. and I agree the guy in england shoudl be upset for haveing to wait longer to get parts that work, I am just tired of seeing threads that are about one thing go completely off topic, especially when it involves GH

[mushrat]

LB: On the other hand, you were below the legal smoking age when you joined and could have gotten everyone in trouble, including anyoen who sent you samples..should we have kept you off the forum until you were 18? to protect Hookahkings and the rest of the memebers from breaking the law by possibly supplying you with a venue for obtaining tobacco or actually sending you tobacco?

[mushrat]

speel: and he's running it badly AND dishonestly...
and if discussing shady suppliers isn't part of what this forum is for, I missed something...

[DrShisha]

Hey the guy from england here. I just think if you want people to be nice with you and trust you then you gotta deal with them in a way that warrants their trust, and one day when they are being criticised you can back the guy up, saying hey wait a sec, hes an alright guy!, youv gotta earn it n stuff, like what people think of you, people arent jus gonna make up BS, honestly people have lives!. yeah i was naive and was new to the forum and i dealt with him, yeah he shudda checked my stuff before sendin the thing! , it did cost me about id say 45 dollar postage, but apparantly hes sent me the parts, so i shall just have to wait to see what happens. All i say is that in business if you are HONEST, TRUSTWORTHY, KIND, HELPFUL, APPRECIATIVE, MAKE TIME FOR OTHERS, ATTENTIVE, then you will go far and your business will flourish, and hopefully if he takes aboard any of these then his business will flourish, and its personal gain at the end of the day.

[fizzgig]

Well spoken.

[The Dude Abides]

I like GH. Got me a great pipe. Great price. Great customer service.



Had to put the brakes on the bandwagon.

[Sonthert]

Well, I guess I look at it this way, if Social Smoke and HookahCompany are consistently honest in their practices, why save a few dollars and take a chance? There are some very vocal opponents and some vocal supporters. I have no opinion on Genuine hookah. We as a forum do need to watch out for the crooks and cheaters...what good is a forum where we don't tell people how to get the best deal possible. Not getting ripped off isn't as subjective as likeing a tobacco flavor, price is pretty objective. The quality of a pipe or accessory is indeed subjective and thats how there are dishonest people in the marketplace that make alot of money. Two pipes, same brand, same model can be very different. One dishonest, out-of-the-back-of his-car guy sold some friends 10 hookahs. Not only were the trays the wrong ones, the holes for the hose and vent ports (on the underside) were backwards...on all of them! This was a pure batch of seconds and he charged my friends (who were not the sharpest guys all the time) $45 per...when a reasonable wholesale is $47.50. Put a nice jar on and nobody will know.

Yeah, mistakes happen, but there are ALOT of unscrupulous vendors in the shisha market...that's why I am always so careful to make sure to only to sell to companies I know can be trusted. There are layers within the market, for instance, any specific pipe, lets say the Al Fabulous. It wholesales for $25, retails for $70. Now, in shipping, we ship in pallets or (cargo) containers. Over the course of shipping we frequently lose some due to the boat rocking or whatever. Some are totally destroyed...some jars are merely chipped. Even the shanks that have shattered jars just have new jars attached. Maybe some of the shanks were bent when they came from the factory. So, we come up with a seconds market...because, if I get a first quality returned damaged, what do I do with it? Try selling it again? Of course...if that doesn't work, I put together a group of seconds for sale. Then the less scrupulous guy offers cheaper prices...lets say $55 for the Al Fabulous. Seconds wholesale for, lets say $15, or we could buy just bent shanks without jars, or piece our own crap together. What he's really selling are 25-50% seconds and the balance are firsts...his cost basis has gone from $25 to $20, average. Of course, if you get a first, you are only getting a slightly better deal...if you are getting a second, you are paying a premium price. I heard someone saw 25% of the Myas in an order from a secondary reseller were defective in some small way. I don't think Mya sells anything second-quality, so this would be an aftermarket seconds pile o crap. Thats not a coincedence...in the jewelry business, we used to call it salting, we'd salt large lots with 5-75% junk to add weight and get rid of stuff we didn't want. We need to tell each other these situations...if a seller doesn't want to rectify the problem, its because all his stuff is seconds. If he is more than willing to replace it free of charge, he is probably selling firsts and can return them for credit, so he doens't care about replacing it...there are no free replacements on seconds.

[SanguineSolitude]

sonthert put it well . ive had great experiences with socialsmoke and have never heard of ANYONE having a bad one. same with hookahcomany and hookah-shisha. so with these sites i am willing if they charge a little more. for example buying direct from myasaray. Mya believes in their products and do almost anything to satisfy the customer. people have dropped their vases (as in not myas fault) and mya will often replace them. that earns my respect as a consumer, and so if it costs 10 bucks more on the myasaray site than on gh, well guess who im buying from? socialsmoke forgot to ship half of my charcoal order. i emailed them and they immediately shipped it out without asking for any proof or anything.

[The Dude Abides]

I agree with you two. And when I went looking to buy a new pipe a few months ago the first places I went were HookahCompay, Social Smoke, and the like. Unfortunately I didn't find the pipe for me, no matter how I tried. Only GH had it, so I was left with the option of risking a transaction with that vendor or getting a second-choice pipe from the more reputable retailers. I chose to take the risk, and it worked out great.