sidhucer Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hi has anyone ever heard of this my friend soaks tobaccoo from a cig in water and mixes it with the shisha (hes a smoker)... I tried it and it had much more of a buzz to it.... Also though flavor wasn't effected that much until the bowl was almost done.. Just Curious anyone ever tried this? P.S,, If i broke some sacred rule or something i'm just a noob... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donetodeath Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I've heard of people doing it, never done it myself though. Although i imagine the buzz would be somewhere close to the buzz of an unwashed shisha, like tangiers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Nope..Cigarette tobacco is legal so you're cool.... 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve07 Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Why would you ruin perfectly good shisha? :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSolitude Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 indeed. i got this awesome bottle of scotch... lets pour everclear in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve07 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Got your back sang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyGuy Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Hahaha, I love that analogy Sang... but hey, different strokes for differnt folks... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidhucer Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 Haha damn... some of u guys r pretty anal here... So if somone puts tobacco in shisha it effects u how? haha wut a stupid example about liking scotch and putting everclear in it.. people don't do that for obvious reasons... i thought there was tobacco in shisha already and if somone prefers a bit more of a "kick" like my friend he adds some tobacco... I don't think the hookah god gonna reach down from the sky and kick his.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macho555 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 You're taking this way too personally I think, for both you and friend. Just calm down a bit. Smoke some hookah. Alot of people here detest cigarettes for the sole reason that shisha tastes and smokes better. No need to get offended because they dared voice their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krautle87 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Try adding regular pipe tobacco to the mix. A bit better quality and flavor, same buzz, no weird ciggy additives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidhucer Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 Will try it.. does pipe tobacco have the same nicotine as cig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve07 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 It depends on the type of pipe tobacco, basically how the tobacco was cured. or whether it was fermented(latika fermented in it's own juices). smoke this stuff straight and you will be sideways for a long time. I tend to be a purist and feel if you want a little extra kick smoke a cig. or cigar or pipe or just add zagoul to your shisha if that is your thing. I don't smoke for the buzz if I want a buzz a shot of good whiskey works for me. each to thier own and good luck :mrgreen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny_lech Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 One thing I never understand: I have get togethers at my house. We're all sitting around, smoking hookah. It's usually all .5% nicotine shisha. The cigg smokers inevitably get up and have to go smoke one outside. Part of me says "This must be the psychological aspect of ciggarette addiction". But part of me wonders if it's *something else* that's in the cigg. I agree with Krautle87, weird cigg additives not so cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakemonster Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Cigarette tobacco, known as shag, does have higher concentrations of nicotine than shisha or even pipe tobacco. It is said that the nicotine the plant produces is to help combat high heat. I dont know how this works, but as expected, the leaves that are closest to the top of the plant have the highest concentrations of nicotine to begin with. These leaves are generally used for cigarette shag. Pipe tobacco is made from leaves that are near the bottom of the plant, known as "cutters". They have a much lower nicotine content. Pipe tobacco that you find at the gas station has a not only flavoring added but has a preservative added as well. Almost all pipe tobacco is "cased", which means a flavoring has been added. Shisha that we know of is probably made from the "lugs" ( the very bottom leaves) since there is no real burning of the leaf itself, there is no demand for it to have a good taste or nicotine content. Lugs are almost a cast off.... and are by far the cheapest leaf you can get. I would guess that the tobacco you find in Middle Eastern Shisha is Oriental. Oriental tobacco has a lower nicotine content our Virginia varieties here. Cigarettes contain or have been processed so that they will smolder continuosly without going out. Untreated tobacco will only stay lit if agitated in a timely fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LB] Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 :arrow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSolitude Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 actually my example of everclear to scotch was very applicable. adding a higher proof alchohol to a lower proof one, would be like adding higher nicotine tobacco to a lower nicotine tobacco. Im not saying you cant do it, i would just say that "people don't do that for obvious reasons." to quote you. most of us here smoke shisha for the taste not for the buzz, much like most scotch drinkers arent looking to get hammered. where cigarette smokers smoke only for the buzz, and everclear drinkers drink it only to get drunk. Perhaps your aim spelling habits got in the way of you actually examining whether my analogy was good or not. either way you are free to do whatever you want with your shisha. Im not being anal, it just seems like a waste to add something that tastes like crap to something delicious like shisha. in addition one of the nice things about hookah is that the highly processed chemicals of cigarette smoke arent present. if you enjoy doing this... then keep doing it. calm down my friend. usually when someone asks peoples thoughts on something, they are willing to hear peoples thoughts. You ask us if we like adding cigarette tobacco and we say that we think thats a disgusting idea... and you reply "omg ur so anal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve07 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Could'nt have said it any better Sang. Sid you asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 [quote name='SanguineSolitude']indeed. i got this awesome bottle of scotch... lets pour everclear in it.[/quote] Ive actually tried a little bit over everclear in the bottom... it was barely any and it really made a diffrence i dont even want to imagine what a 50/50 mix would do... yuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 [quote name='Lakemonster']Cigarette tobacco, known as shag, does have higher concentrations of nicotine than shisha or even pipe tobacco. It is said that the nicotine the plant produces is to help combat high heat. I dont know how this works, but as expected, the leaves that are closest to the top of the plant have the highest concentrations of nicotine to begin with. These leaves are generally used for cigarette shag. Pipe tobacco is made from leaves that are near the bottom of the plant, known as "cutters". They have a much lower nicotine content. Pipe tobacco that you find at the gas station has a not only flavoring added but has a preservative added as well. Almost all pipe tobacco is "cased", which means a flavoring has been added. Shisha that we know of is probably made from the "lugs" ( the very bottom leaves) since there is no real burning of the leaf itself, there is no demand for it to have a good taste or nicotine content. Lugs are almost a cast off.... and are by far the cheapest leaf you can get. I would guess that the tobacco you find in Middle Eastern Shisha is Oriental. Oriental tobacco has a lower nicotine content our Virginia varieties here. Cigarettes contain or have been processed so that they will smolder continuosly without going out. Untreated tobacco will only stay lit if agitated in a timely fashion.[/quote] I don't know all of this to be true...Lug is mixed into almost every blend of tobacco for cigarettes, Tangiers is made with a blend intended for cigarette s, its about 50% lug, but it has good percentages of cutter and tip, according to the guy that sold it. I don;t know that much about it, but what he told me. The sugar content is what determines how flavorful it is, I lean towards low sugar, low nicotine blends. Cigarettes burn through not because of the tobacco, but because of how the tobacco is packed. Starting Jan 1, 2007, California and like 7 other states are going to be requiring that cigarettes are "safer" in that they go out when not being smoked. They've had cigarettes like that for years, though, Eve, More and True all went out when not smoked. Virgina Slims too...I think. My stepmother smoked Mores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakemonster Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 OK... you are using Virginia variety (or blend) right (thought you had said that a while back)? So. you're lug percentage is half.... meaning that half of your tobacco is considerably low in Nic content... they way you prefer. Maybe Im bein nosey. but I'll ask anyway. Flue Cured? Barn Cured or Ground "Cured". Just tryin to make sense of it. Sugar content is determined by not only the plant, but by the curing and fermenting..... over time starches and chlorophyll break down allowing the sugar content to rise (I read that in my studies, but still scratch my head) and the harsh flavor associated with burning the starches and chlorophyll decreases. One of the major gripes about Virginia tobacco (at least for pipe smokers) is the "bite" associated with it due to the high starch factor when flue cured. But, since you arent actually burning the leaf itself, its not going to play that much of a role with hookah smoking. There are many cigarette blends out there..... and plenty of them go heavy on the Burley varieties as well..... Some research I have been doing lately on India's tobacco manufacture pointed out that the tobacco used for theyre hookah pastes and the stuff they actually make into a paste to be eaten is from N. Rustica.... and not N. Tobacciana. That took me by surprise. I'd give my figurative "right nut" to try some Shisha made from 3 step ground cured (fermented) Burley cutters....... you could probably set that shit on fire and it wouldnt be harsh. Does your blend come in pressed or loose baled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Pressed, FC. Some Virginia, some Burley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatBeezie Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 this is kinda newbish but would shisha be as bad as smokin ciggs if all the additives and shit were in it ? It would be funny if people were addicted to hookah as much as ciggs , you would see people seting up their hookahs every hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 We go over this on the forum all the time, hookah is smoking tobacco so all the risks that come with inhaling other forms of tobacco smoke, including ciggs, are there with hookah. And hookah is addictive. Hookah tobacco has plenty of nicotine. And hookah does have tons of additives. What do you think makes it all wet and sticky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSolitude Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 molasses and glycerine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatBeezie Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote name='Joseph']We go over this on the forum all the time, hookah is smoking tobacco so all the risks that come with inhaling other forms of tobacco smoke, including ciggs, are there with hookah. And hookah is addictive. Hookah tobacco has plenty of nicotine. And hookah does have tons of additives. What do you think makes it all wet and sticky?[/quote] You must be a little slow if you think hookah is as addictive and bad for you as ciggs , I know the difference becuase I smoke both and I dont have to smoke hookah to get a fix and not go crazy till I smoke It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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