Regular cig tobacco mixed with shisha?

[Joseph]

Hookah smoke has the same small, aromatic molecules that damage the DNA causing cancer, such as nitosamines, and the same or similar tars that cause lung disease. Do a pubmed search, www.pubmed.com if I am so slow I am sure you have used that all the time to search for biology/medical articles. Secondly, I am sure you are aware that the nicotine recpeters in the brain have a Kd of about 0.8 ng/mol, so very little nicotine has a powerful reaction, and hookah smoke has plenty of nicotine.

[Sonthert]

True, Joeseph, true. Of course, by that logic, second hand smoke would increase mortality and morbidity rates, but most of the data shows that the increase is not statistically significant.

If they were to do a study based on the amount of processing thats actually done to the tobacco product in question and then look at that in relation to mortality/morbidity rates, I think the more processing, the higher the M&M rates. So, not as a business guy, just as Joe Blow, Phat I would say it might make a difference...the difference might be so small as to seem statistically insignificant or indistinguishable, but I think it would be there.

People have trouble understanding statistical significance. For instance, I ask two people whether they prefer A or B...they both say 'A'. So should I conclude A is what everybody would prefer? No, you say, you didn't ask enough people. True. So me and my friend each ask 1,000,000 people. I found out that 500,001 people like A, while my friend find 475,950 people prefer A. That is where statistics come in. My study found A to be more popular, my friend B to be more popular. Does that mean neither is more popular? No, not necessarily. We establish thresholds statistically to determine significance of data. In studies of this nature, the factor is 2...so, if I found that 10 people per hundred thousand of non-smokers got cancer, I would have to see that 20 people per hundred thousand of second hand smokers would get cancer to call it significant. In fact, the number is only 12.5 per 100,000.

[Joseph]

I love reasonable debate, just not being called slow by someone who has never even met me. And none of us are total experts on medicine. I just always suggest when people want the latest cutting edge science, they go to an abstract search like www.pubmed.com, and read the peer reviewed journal articles, then we can discuss the specific articles and the results in the figures. When I am working on a research project, every week the PI and all the researchers under him get together and discuss articles like this.

[40 Thieves]

Well I would agree that it is weird to see people get up from their hookah to take a smoke break day in and day out. I myself don't smoke cigarettes and I don't allow them inside. I would agree that hookah isn't good for you but I would bet a lot of money that ciggs are a lot worse. The "enhancement" of ciggs will never be reported and I'm pretty sure whatever is going on with them since the late 60's is all bad and getting worse as sales decline.

Also, for the most part everyone on this forum smokes a shisha that is most likely made from Virginia tobacco.

[PhatBeezie]

[quote name='40 Thieves']Well I would agree that it is weird to see people get up from their hookah to take a smoke break day in and day out. I myself don't smoke cigarettes and I don't allow them inside. I would agree that hookah isn't good for you but I would bet a lot of money that ciggs are a lot worse. The "enhancement" of ciggs will never be reported and I'm pretty sure whatever is going on with them since the late 60's is all bad and getting worse as sales decline.  

Also, for the most part everyone on this forum smokes a shisha that is most likely made from Virginia tobacco.[/quote]

thats what Im trying to get at and I was just trying to be funny on my first post anyways , but ciggs have way more deadly chemicals than shisha and they are more addictive mostly becuase of all the bad chemicals in them.