Look What Mccain Wants.

[Lakemonster]

The links below cover the story....

I fear that a bill like this will cripple Message boards and blogs, how is a site owner to know exactly wht is illegal at all times.... and how is he/she to know if a user is a sex offender.

$300,000 is a lot of money.


http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/13/mccain-war-on-blogs/

http://news.com.com/SenatorIllegalimagesmu...l?tag=nefd.lede

[DizzyGuy]

That's some grade A bull.

[DarthHookah]

you see, this is exactly why we need a new revolution in the states. uh-oh, that might be considered illegal speech, i hope the fucking moderators wont have to report me...

[angemonkwj]

you see, this is exactly why we need a new revolution in the states. uh-oh, that might be considered illegal speech, i hope the fucking moderators wont have to report me...

The South Will Rise Again!!! YEEHAW!!!!
on a more serious note, im simply amazed that these people believe it's there right to tell us how to live and run business's. how are most of these blogging sites supposed to know who is a sexual predator and who isnt. while it is sad that sexual predators and child molesters exist, i believe it's the parents job to teach children a little better so that they dont become victims of something like that. when i was a kid, you didnt talk to strangers, no matter what. parents today have no clue what there kids are doing. im thankful now that my parents were the way they were. they knew what i was doing, who i was with and when i'd be home. they were resonsible for me and anything i did. todays parents(im not saying all of them), need to pay a little more attention to there children and teach them a little right from wrong.

[ShishaFred]

What's a poor geezer to do with his life.... FIGHT AGAINST MODERNITY ! Yeeha!

[SanguineSolitude]

the south will rise again indeed. bringing a new age of nascar and enlightenment to us all. no longer will our children have to sit through oppressive school to get them learnins. i mean shoot, i aints gots no higkskool deploma end i got this here sweet ass job at the dixie metal stamping plant. and we aint livin in no skanky trailer either, no sir we gots us a double wide. yeehaw.

the south will rise again is a stupid concept. rise against what? the north doesnt oppress the south anymore. unless you wanna rise just for the hell of it.

More proof that John McCain isnt the reasonable and level headed guy we thought he was. hes turning neo conservative on us.



(nothing against the south, heck i even live in virginia. but generally those espousing a "the south will rise again" slogan are the biggest wastes of breathe out there. not saying you yourself are.

[angemonkwj]

it was just a joke....im gonna go cry now..j/k. your right most of the people who spout that out are ignorant rednecks

edit: no offence taken sang! Edited December 16, 2006 by angemonkwj

[fizzgig]

And this is a surprise? Freedom of speech has been dead in this country for years now.

[DarthHookah]

eh, not so much "south shall rise", more like "dethrone the king" type revolution.

just one thing... i have always believed that once you did your time in prison, your debt to society was complete. why do we discriminate against sexual predators? sure, its good info to know that a man who just got out of prison for fondling boys is moving next door, but id also like to know if someone who did time for breaking and entering, felonious assault, and arson. these guys (aronists, other violent criminals) get free reign in society while the perverts have to live with it forever.

i say either have a database of ALL criminals so that we, the public, may pry into their lives and privacy, or have none.

[SanguineSolitude]

yeah. if you are worried enough about a sexual predator doign it again... dont let him out of prison. if he seems to have cleaned up his act leave him alone.

[Johnny_D]

yeah. if you are worried enough about a sexual predator doign it again... dont let him out of prison. if he seems to have cleaned up his act leave him alone.

I'm sorry gents. I agree with what darth' said about paying your debt to society... but for
kiddy fiddlers there is no possible way to repay that debt.

So they, in my humble and very very biased opinion (Remeber I have three daughters), they
should either be jailed permanently or have there nuts removed [I am led to believe this removes male hormones and possibly the drive to fiddle]

But freedom of speech is dead on this side of the pond... kinda...

JD

[DarthHookah]

ok, removing nuts would definitly stop them, but it would also stop them from fiddling anybody. is it truly fair to take away from them their ability to have a meaningful relationship with an adult?

and forced castration would not exactly take care of the few female offenders we have either. my take? i think with therapy a person would be able to overcome an attraction to children. problem is, the only way to get help if you ARE attracted to children is to offend, go to prison, and then be court-ordered to therapy. there needs to be someplace where they can go BEFORE they offend. that would make more sense imprisoning them if they ever do commit the crime- they had the resources available to overcome their attraction. but mental health has turned a cold shoulder to them (pedophilia was my topic in my psychology class).

another important fact- not all sex offenders are "kiddy fiddlers". i had a friend who was 18 and his girlfriend was 17. perfectly reasonable relationship. but *gasp* he had naked pictures of her on his computer! he went to jail for having child pornography, and now he is a sex offender. think about that next time you get a notice in the mail about a "sex offender" moving into your neighborhood. that term can be applied very loosely.

but anyway, back on track- fuck mccain! Edited December 16, 2006 by DarthHookah

[cypherkk]

Any youths want to be sodomized?

lol

Sorry if this in inappropriate

[Johnny_D]

ok, removing nuts would definitly stop them, but it would also stop them from fiddling anybody. is it truly fair to take away from them their ability to have a meaningful relationship with an adult? YES - Human Rights should only apply to those who qualify. IE:Humans.

another important fact- not all sex offenders are "kiddy fiddlers". i had a friend who was 18 and his girlfriend was 17. perfectly reasonable relationship.!

I take it that Under 18 is considered under-age sex? [UK legal sex age is 16]

JD

[ghostofdavid]

ok, removing nuts would definitly stop them, but it would also stop them from fiddling anybody. is it truly fair to take away from them their ability to have a meaningful relationship with an adult?

and forced castration would not exactly take care of the few female offenders we have either. my take? i think with therapy a person would be able to overcome an attraction to children. problem is, the only way to get help if you ARE attracted to children is to offend, go to prison, and then be court-ordered to therapy. there needs to be someplace where they can go BEFORE they offend. that would make more sense imprisoning them if they ever do commit the crime- they had the resources available to overcome their attraction. but mental health has turned a cold shoulder to them (pedophilia was my topic in my psychology class).

another important fact- not all sex offenders are "kiddy fiddlers". i had a friend who was 18 and his girlfriend was 17. perfectly reasonable relationship. but *gasp* he had naked pictures of her on his computer! he went to jail for having child pornography, and now he is a sex offender. think about that next time you get a notice in the mail about a "sex offender" moving into your neighborhood. that term can be applied very loosely.

but anyway, back on track- fuck mccain!

According to the DSM IV manual, which is the diagnostic tool that those in the field of psychology use, pedophelia is uncurable. What information do you have that stands apart or in contrast from this, as I would love to know. Has mental health turned a cold shoulder or have they come to the realization that rapists/pederasts are incurable mindsets? What did your research show?

Also, sex offender notifications usually give a very brief description of their crime... whether it is being caught with child pornography or multiple accounts of rape (pretty serious, I would say).

I know someone who is in the same boat as your friend, and it sucks. He was in a relationship with a girl two years his younger and was busted for it when they broke up and the parents found pictures not intended for their eyes.

However, I'm with you about McCain. He is insane.

[ghostofdavid]

ok, removing nuts would definitly stop them, but it would also stop them from fiddling anybody. is it truly fair to take away from them their ability to have a meaningful relationship with an adult? YES - Human Rights should only apply to those who qualify. IE:Humans.

another important fact- not all sex offenders are "kiddy fiddlers". i had a friend who was 18 and his girlfriend was 17. perfectly reasonable relationship.!

I take it that Under 18 is considered under-age sex? [UK legal sex age is 16]

JD

It depends on the state, I think. In Kentucky, one can get married at sixteen so the age of consent is 14 or has recently changed to 16-18. I heard them joking about it on talk radio the other day.

[DarthHookah]

AIDS, types of cancer, Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinsons Disease, even the common cold are all uncurable. does that mean we should just let them rot in their own disease?

the DSM-IV also defines pedophilia as an attraction to children that causes the person distress, and makes it difficult for them to perform in everyday life. the attraction causes them distress, and a doctor should never turn their back on someone who is suffering.

human rights apply only to humans? wow, i wish everyone was as perfect as you.... some cultures still consider women to be second class human beings. i say if the person has two legs and two arms (amputees included, of course), a face, maybe some hair and teeth, then they are worth saving.

this is all i have to say on that topic. if it is a disease, then doctors should help treat it. it is certainly better for the children, instead of waiting for something to happen. definitely more proactive.

ive come to the conclusion that the death penalty is bullshit- if it were truly a deterrent, then by definition we wouldnt need it (but then again, nothing says "obey me" like a bloody head on a stake).

oh, for ghost, most states age of consent is about 16ish, but you still have to be 18 to be naked in pictures, liability on the photographer. Edited December 16, 2006 by DarthHookah

[Lakemonster]

According to the DSM IV manual, which is the diagnostic tool that those in the field of psychology use, pedophelia is uncurable. What information do you have that stands apart or in contrast from this, as I would love to know. Has mental health turned a cold shoulder or have they come to the realization that rapists/pederasts are incurable mindsets? What did your research show?

I beg to differ....

Ive found a cure.



See the "Death Penalty" thread when you get a chance, too.

[Lakemonster]

a point a I must address is that while the common cold is uncurable, it does not cause the the person to be a predacious and wilfully go out and wreck young lives.

[DarthHookah]

yeah, ive been on the death penalty board some too. ive been posting on these two regularly for a few days. oddly enough, i thought i was posting on the death penalty board, hence the mention of it.

all i am saying is that if a person feels an attraction to children, and it causes the person distress (which it usually does), i think there should be better outlets for them to overcome their problem. curing the cold by killing the patient is just not working. Edited December 17, 2006 by DarthHookah

[Johnny_D]

human rights apply only to humans? wow, i wish everyone was as perfect as you.... some cultures still consider women to be second class human beings. i say if the person has two legs and two arms (amputees included, of course), a face, maybe some hair and teeth, then they are worth saving.

I'm sorry Darth' I mean you no disrespect. But I will say one thing to this paragraph.

Wait until you have your own children, [I say this as i cannot recall any post where you suggest you have your own]
Then tell me peodophiles are worth saving. Now I'm sure you have some smart clever intellectual type counter-comment
for this and best of luck to you but I stand by my point. Period.

Again, no disrespect to you.

JD

[DarthHookah]

no disrespect taken, i understand this is a hot topic with a lot of emotions involved. i have an unusual way oflooking at it, and i respect the fact that you feel that way to protect your kids. do keep in mind, i am referring to the pedophiles that have not yet commited, and are looking for help. once they cross that line, they're on their own. law is the law.

to date, i have yet to meet a woman who is willing to share DNA with me, so i have no kids of my own. perhaps my view will change.

so ill drop the whole thing.

McCain is an asshole!

[Johnny_D]

do keep in mind, i am referring to the pedophiles that have not yet commited, and are looking for help. once they cross that line, they're on their own. law is the law.

to date, i have yet to meet a woman who is willing to share DNA with me, so i have no kids of my own. perhaps my view will change.

so ill drop the whole thing.

McCain is an asshole!

Actually you raise an interesting question. What do to do with someone who thinks they might be a pedophile?
So I agree with that, before any 'actual' lawbreaking or anything else takes place what todo?

Yes, help should be available in some form... No idea about america but i have serious doubt the UK and/or European healthcare systems are in any shape to be able to offer any serious help.

I don't think you should drop the discussion. I might well have come accross a little agressive on this one.... of which i apologise without reservation. It's difficult sometimes to remove the blinkers of parenthood!

JD

[stevehookah]

In the US you can get put on the Sex Offenders list for pissing in public.

google it, it's true.

[DarthHookah]

thank you for your understanding. its been proven that 30 to 40 percent of adults feel some sort of attraction to children (compare that to the percentage of adults that actually commit). there should be something other than internet porn.

also, you cant run a judicial system with emotion. it has to be cold and level headed. ruling by emotion and rage is what they did in the dark ages, and its not pretty. i understand that touching children is a heinous crime that should indeed carry punishment, but the judgement should come unbiased. protecting children should be our #1 priority, i think that the best way to protect them is to find these people who would commit before they actually do. as it is, its kind of a whack-a-mole system, and it isnt working.

if people can find it in their hearts to put down their torches and pitchforks, we can come to a humane and fair solution for everyone- parents, children, and children 'lovers' alike.

and steve, you are right- the term "sex offender" can be applied rather loosely. imaging going down for pissing in public, and having to drag that name with you for the rest of your life (in one state, i forget which, they are pushing legislation that would require sex offenders to wear bright orange shirts that say 'sex offender' while working). Edited December 18, 2006 by DarthHookah