Scalliwag Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 QUOTE (unleashtheclown @ Jan 9 2007, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Jan 10 2007, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So do copper windings in motors like fans that get very hot produce poisonous gas? I always thought since brass and aluminum were less expensive than copper that hookahs and other ornamental items were made from them. Is hot water transferred through copper pipe poisonous? I really doubt it that it is not used because it is poisonous?I just know smoking out of copper releases harmful toxins. Hot water pipes will taste metallic when first installed but its not harmfulI am trying to find something to back that up. I am not saying it does not produce any toxins, but where in the big scheme of things would smoking with a copper cap stand when compared to the toxins like nicotine? Hearing someone rattle off as though hookah smoking is incredibly healthy and copper caps are going to kill everybody sounds like a crock. LB saying that down the road getting cancer and yadayadayada? What the hell? If you are that damn worried then you may want to break down every little chemical getting put into every flavor and brand of shisha. Someone acting as though they are that panicked it would seem to me that smoking hookahs in general may be just a little unhealthy. If smoking out of copper releases harmful toxins it would be due to heat. Motors produce heat, constant heat, therefore they would be toxic? Just how toxic is the bigger question. Copper particles in water is toxic, but the amount of particles to be harmful is the bottom line. Like I said though, think about all the different chemicals in different shishas. Use a little perspective. The mods could be made from a lot of things in a lot of different ways. How or what anyone uses does not matter to me because I gave the idea away before I ever even made it. But I do take exception to the tone and some of the remarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Jan 9 2007, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (unleashtheclown @ Jan 9 2007, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Jan 10 2007, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So do copper windings in motors like fans that get very hot produce poisonous gas? I always thought since brass and aluminum were less expensive than copper that hookahs and other ornamental items were made from them. Is hot water transferred through copper pipe poisonous? I really doubt it that it is not used because it is poisonous?I just know smoking out of copper releases harmful toxins. Hot water pipes will taste metallic when first installed but its not harmfulI am trying to find something to back that up. I am not saying it does not produce any toxins, but where in the big scheme of things would smoking with a copper cap stand when compared to the toxins like nicotine? Hearing someone rattle off as though hookah smoking is incredibly healthy and copper caps are going to kill everybody sounds like a crock. LB saying that down the road getting cancer and yadayadayada? What the hell? If you are that damn worried then you may want to break down every little chemical getting put into every flavor and brand of shisha. Someone acting as though they are that panicked it would seem to me that smoking hookahs in general may be just a little unhealthy. If smoking out of copper releases harmful toxins it would be due to heat. Motors produce heat, constant heat, therefore they would be toxic? Just how toxic is the bigger question. Copper particles in water is toxic, but the amount of particles to be harmful is the bottom line. Like I said though, think about all the different chemicals in different shishas. Use a little perspective. The mods could be made from a lot of things in a lot of different ways. How or what anyone uses does not matter to me because I gave the idea away before I ever even made it. But I do take exception to the tone and some of the remarks.so true. as if smoking this shit everyday is so healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art_official Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 probably ask scalli if there copper or notwhen i first fired it it tasted a bit like metal but i took it out washed it with some lemon juice put it back in and it was fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerorox Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 One question ... the bowl normally has a great, easy pull because of the big hole - with the mod, does it still pull so easy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE (art_official @ Jan 10 2007, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>probably ask scalli if there copper or notwhen i first fired it it tasted a bit like metal but i took it out washed it with some lemon juice put it back in and it was fine!Yes they are copper. They are discolored because they are heated red hot and when I form them and it leaves them more a dull bronze color. Heating them red hot also bring them to a MUCH higher temp than they will ever reach in a bowl. It also leads me to believe it burns off a lot what would produce fumes at lower temps while smoking.Am I the only one that tastes aluminum when I first start to smoke using foil? So I am not sure if what I think someone mentioned earlier is not at least some of the aluminum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE (aerorox @ Jan 10 2007, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One question ... the bowl normally has a great, easy pull because of the big hole - with the mod, does it still pull so easy?If the mod is setup with enough gap it can pull as easily. I like adjusting mine to where it has more resistance but that is up to preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahmike Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Copper is a required trace metal and in most vitamins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high_society Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 it could be in vitamins but you dont inhale vitamins. The lungs might not be able to handle it./Im not a doctor so dont quote me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allia22 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Jan 11 2007, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Am I the only one that tastes aluminum when I first start to smoke using foil? So I am not sure if what I think someone mentioned earlier is not at least some of the aluminum.I got a very strong salty flavor today when using foil. Not metallic, it was genuinely salty. *shrug* Yeah, that didn't help anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 QUOTE (high_society @ Jan 11 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it could be in vitamins but you dont inhale vitamins. The lungs might not be able to handle it./Im not a doctor so dont quote me I'm not a doctor either but I know that anyone the worked one day in a copper smelter would inhale more copper fumes than anyone could possibly ever take in off of one of these little mods getting hot could possibly put out in a lifetime. People have worked with molten copper for centuries and probably had long term ill effects I am sure.So let's scale this down to reality. Does anyone here really think that one of these could put out more fumes than a smelter? I heated 20 of these in a row red hot and formed them. No ill effects. I breathed more in an hour that you could possibly take in in a month of smoking.Like I said earlier if you are really that worried about what your lungs can handle short or long term what are you thinking when it comes to smoking anything? This shit is not vitamins folks. Don't get me wrong, I understand why some people do not smoke. I just don't understand where someone would blow something like this into a higher "health risk". Read reports on nicotine and tobacco. Hell, molasses and honey are both good for you to eat but I really doubt if it makes your lungs better. Glycerin.... is that good for your lungs? I am sure some things in this hobby are worse than others but face it folks you don't go into your local GNC to buy smokable vitamins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 QUOTE (Allia22 @ Jan 11 2007, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Jan 11 2007, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Am I the only one that tastes aluminum when I first start to smoke using foil? So I am not sure if what I think someone mentioned earlier is not at least some of the aluminum.I got a very strong salty flavor today when using foil. Not metallic, it was genuinely salty. *shrug* Yeah, that didn't help anything I have tasted that too but I attributed it to maybe some lemon residue or something. Never pegged it to aluminum so I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPR234 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Copper alone isn't toxic, but my understanding of the whole "smoking with copper is bad for you" topic was that eventually residues, juices and things corrode the copper, so it isnt just copper anymore. I'm not clear on the specifics in the chemistry, but it only takes a simple chemical reaction to make something toxic. I don't know about anyone else, but I have never seen copper silverware, plates or bowls or any dishes, with the exception of some pots that have copper on the bottom, but its only on the outside of the pot, so it probably isnt used for food for a reason. My opinion about these little mods is that they're not enough copper to be too bad for you, and people would probably keep them clean anyways, so its no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 what kind of aluminum foil do you use? i try to get the extra thick stuff.ive had the best results from this foil i got at california pizza kitchen. it had to be like 4 times thicker than the cheap foil. it was real good and the top didn't burn at all.(i only use foil and have never gotten a salty taste)Btw, i got a brass cap at hte hardware store. anyone who wants to try this, i hope you have a lot of power tools. i was whacking it full force with a hammer and all i managed to do was put little dings in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelflage Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 (edited) QUOTE (Scoop @ Jan 11 2007, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Btw, i got a brass cap at hte hardware store. anyone who wants to try this, i hope you have a lot of power tools. i was whacking it full force with a hammer and all i managed to do was put little dings in it.not that a hammer isn't a delicate tool, but i would suggest if you are replicating this mod get some pliers so you can just bend the copper out. might help to drop it on the electric stove and get some heat in it so it's more malleable. (when i was blacksmithing we used to say metal works best when its good and hot) Edited January 12, 2007 by camelflage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 QUOTE (Scoop @ Jan 11 2007, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Btw, i got a brass cap at hte hardware store. anyone who wants to try this, i hope you have a lot of power tools. i was whacking it full force with a hammer and all i managed to do was put little dings in it.you need to heat it and work it like a blacksmith sorta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingjunkie Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 I recently bought a phunnel and have had problems getting thick smoke with it. I have tried everything except using scalli's mod. That was going to be my next step... then I said, well what else could I use around the house which might have the same effect?The aluminum cup from a tea-light candle! It's a little wider than the mod looks to be, but it's made from a metal we already know is safe, and all I had to do was bend the bottom edges in a little with my finger to get some air-flow. I haven't had a chance to test it out yet, but will report back when I do. OR, someone elase can beat me to it and report back.Just wanted to throw the idea out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allia22 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 "Brilliant!" *takes swig of Guinness* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 lol, brass isn't copper though.i heated it under a bunsen burner at the lab i work at. all it did was discolor it and get it hot enough to burn papers but no where near the heat needed to melt it. you need almost 2000F to melt brass. taking pliers to the brass = no chance hehe. you are going to break the pliers before you get anything to happen to the brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelflage Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 ive worked brass before, but yeah i was using a traditional forge. and a hammer. maybe you can torch it? a forge is a handy thing to have around though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 For the thickness of material we are talking about and that it is only forming you can get by with a torch for brass or copper. Brass is copper and zinc. Even brass and copper both come in varying degrees of hardness. That is why you have soft and hard copper and brass tubing. Harder versions become mallable with heat and usually depending on ambient temperatures return back to rigid once it cools. When you work metals like this if you try and work it for very long it will crack or split unless reheated every so often. Like anything else it along with the right tools it takes trial and error. You will never learn to play guitar by reading a book on it, same with welding, woodworking and metalworking. You mess with stuff long enough and you get a feel and more knack for doing things from intuition. There are some people I know that I would not be comfortable knowing they were going to take a torch to anything. I would venture to guess that some of you like Camel that have been around forges, etc. would agree that forming red hot metals is not something someone without pretty good mechanical skills may want to try. A least keep a fire extinguisher and a friend that can call 911 nearby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelflage Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 ^^ and 3000 degree metal will leave a nice long scar across the palm of your hand for about 3 years if you decide to grab it without a glove on because you got distracted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingjunkie Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 QUOTE (camelflage @ Jan 13 2007, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>^^ and 3000 degree metal will leave a nice long scar across the palm of your hand for about 3 years if you decide to grab it without a glove on because you got distracted.Only three years! I STILL have a light scar from when my grandma set a frying pan down on my hand when I was 5! You got lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 If they scar, they stay I have more than I like to think about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdavid Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 When does the next shipment of phunnel mods ship to MN Hookahs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAHkoo Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 ugh haha i'll take a pic of my homemade scalli/hahkoo mod haha. its brass cap which i heated up with a torch and put it in vice grips and took some needle nose pliers to it. i've tested it out already and it works fantastic! i'll try and take a pic asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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