How Wold You Write The Legacy Of The Bush Administration?

[Scalliwag]

I never said anything about nuking any country.

We have other types of bombs and missiles.
Not to mention a large mandatory draft would not only help greatly in the ground invasions but will also help whip into shape future generations.

Exactly what missiles and bombs would you suggest that would not provoke an attack and complete the death and destruction you think the Iraqi's deserved?
I for one do not want to be held accountable for anything the idiot in chief here does so why should the common Iraqi citizen let alone the entire nation be whiped out because their leader is an idiot? Hell, I can relate. Are citizens with idiot leadership supposed to assassinate their leader to avoid destructiuon? Can you see where that answer does not only apply to Iraqis? I sure can and that is why I am a bit more comfortable with diplomacy than savage reaction.

[PerznPerversion]

I never said anything about nuking any country.

We have other types of bombs and missiles.
Not to mention a large mandatory draft would not only help greatly in the ground invasions but will also help whip into shape future generations.

Honestly im not going to fight a stupid injust war. FUCK THAT SHIT! I would fight for my right NOT TO GO INTO WAR! lol

That is all based on ur opinion, a draft would cause more harm. War causes pyschological harm how would that help future generations besides cause more crazy bums on the street.

[newsman]

I never said anything about nuking any country.

We have other types of bombs and missiles.
Not to mention a large mandatory draft would not only help greatly in the ground invasions but will also help whip into shape future generations.

Smoker,

Let me ask you one thing. Are you willing to go to Iraq and lay your life on the line? I know you're too young to remember the Viet Nam war. That was another conflict that America embroiled itself in in an attempt to make the world "safe for democracy." Lesson learned: we had no business being there. In Iraq we find ourselves in the same situation. Again, I ask you, given your call for a mandatory draft, are you willing to register and roll the dice that you won't be called to serve? If you are that impassioned, why haven't you a enlisted? Put your money where your mouth is, unless your bravado is nothing more than post-pubescent posturing. And believe me, I sincerely hope that that's what it is. I don't want another american to die in a conflict that we had no right to start, and I certainly don't want you to die for a lie either.

I, for one, am sick of the lies that have been perpetuated on the brave men and women who have joined the armed forces at a time that a madman is at the helm. They deserve better. So do you. So do we all.

[smoker6146]

I joined the Marines, I was injured in basic and never got to see combat.
It was not a mistake to invade Vietnam, it was just screwed up the same as this war.

[Scalliwag]

Of the 58,000 plus on the Vietnam memorial I knew 3. I can't even start to count the vets from there that I know. There was a vet that assaulted former secretary of defense Robert McNamara on a cruise ship years later after the war and I wished that the guy would have finished the pathetic POS off.
There was never a strategy to win that war either. A lot of people made a lot of money prolonging it. The Pentagon Papers tell the story. There was not a right way to execute let alone win that war.

While a lot of people want to argue there was for every scenerio given there is much more wishful thinking than reality for the outcome. It's not that I would not like to believe differently, wars just take turns that are not as predictable as those that start them would like to believe. Sure there is a time for war but ball-less cowards that never fought in one are in no position to predict that time. Especially C average highschool students like GW and people that got 5 deferrments to avoid fighting like Cheney. Cheney is the epitomy of a pussy.
There are absolutely no accounts where he ever had a fight of any kind. To me a person needs the shit kicked out of them real good at least once in their life for a little perspective.

[PerznPerversion]

I joined the Marines, I was injured in basic and never got to see combat.
It was not a mistake to invade Vietnam, it was just screwed up the same as this war.

VIETNAM WAS NOT JUSTIFIED!! Screw the french that we tried to help.

DEMOCRACY IS NOT THE BEST SYSTEM OUT THERE! There are plenty of other systems that work fine, all systems can be turned into something bad. Even a democracy.

Tell me why was it a great move to go 2 vietnam?? IT WAS STUPIDATY, democracy isnt what you should fight for. You should fight for REAL freedom and the truth. Ugh btw you had a keyword "invade" since when is it cool to invade other countries?

[smoker6146]

Well, it's cool to invade countries when you're own country can benefit from it.
And you're right, democracy isn't the best system out there.
National Socialism ftw.

[Blue Midnight]

Well, it's cool to invade countries when you're own country can benefit from it.
And you're right, democracy isn't the best system out there.
National Socialism ftw.

After reading over all the comments, I am fairly convinced that smoker6146 is yanking peoples' chains. I really find it hard to take some of these comments seriously. Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part, as it is pretty hard to believe that anyone would actually believe most of the stuff he is saying. And smoker, if you really are a former soldier, then I am glad you didn't make it past basic training. The last thing we need is nutjobs like you out there in the field. Our guys have got enough problems on their hands as it is.

[james]

I was thinking troll, too.

Hoping troll, rather.

[Scalliwag]

Well, it's cool to invade countries when you're own country can benefit from it.
And you're right, democracy isn't the best system out there.
National Socialism ftw.

After reading over all the comments, I am fairly convinced that smoker6146 is yanking peoples' chains. I really find it hard to take some of these comments seriously. Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part, as it is pretty hard to believe that anyone would actually believe most of the stuff he is saying. And smoker, if you really are a former soldier, then I am glad you didn't make it past basic training. The last thing we need is nutjobs like you out there in the field. Our guys have got enough problems on their hands as it is.

I consider Hitler and his thinking and the gazillion followers and I never underestimate how distorted someones views can get. After all a majority of repubs seemed to think that the Dixie Chicks were traitors because Natalie Maines denounced GW. Hell, she was getting death threats and even those did not seem to concern repubs enough to try to calm things.
I don't agree with a lot of people but I would not sit by idly if one was getting threatened for their views. We can agree to disagree but that does not seem good enough to some.
To me it seems like repubs have very little regard for freedom of speech.

[smoker6146]

I'm not a troll nor am I yanking anyones chains.

Good morals don't make a good leader and bad morals don't make a bad leader.
Hitler was genius who saved Germany like it or not.
He took Germany out of an extreme economic crisis and turned it into one of the strongest countries in the world.
There was a huge unemployment rate before he came to power, and within a year there weren't enough people for jobs.
Don't let the American education system dilute his accomplishments just because of the holocaust.

[Blue Midnight]

I'm not a troll nor am I yanking anyones chains.

Good morals don't make a good leader and bad morals don't make a bad leader.
Hitler was genius who saved Germany like it or not.
He took Germany out of an extreme economic crisis and turned it into one of the strongest countries in the world.
There was a huge unemployment rate before he came to power, and within a year there weren't enough people for jobs.
Don't let the American education system dilute his accomplishments just because of the holocaust.

OK....I'm done.

[smoker6146]

Look, I'm not promoting the holocaust here, I'm simply stating historical facts.

[Scalliwag]

when it comes to facts the devils in the details. It could be said that Hitler jump started our economy as well in a twisted way.

[PerznPerversion]

Well, it's cool to invade countries when you're own country can benefit from it.
And you're right, democracy isn't the best system out there.
National Socialism ftw.

After reading over all the comments, I am fairly convinced that smoker6146 is yanking peoples' chains. I really find it hard to take some of these comments seriously. Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part, as it is pretty hard to believe that anyone would actually believe most of the stuff he is saying. And smoker, if you really are a former soldier, then I am glad you didn't make it past basic training. The last thing we need is nutjobs like you out there in the field. Our guys have got enough problems on their hands as it is.

+1

but ive met some crazy people on the internet, from youtube to myspace. Trying to spread hate. You have to realize since we invade other countries they have the right to fight back. I believe fighting to get occupation out is fine. Since when did that turn into terrorism. Now causing civilian casualties, thats when you cross the line. But lets get this straight, both sides are careless and do harm civilians. Its wrong and it shouldnt happen

[smoker6146]

That's not true at all. The majority of historians consider Hitler one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century.

[PerznPerversion]

That's not true at all. The majority of historians consider Hitler one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century.

Great leader yes, great intentions no. So he wasnt a great man :shrug:

I believe there was somebody higher up than him giving him orders. Thats just because alot of things dont fit the puzzle

[newsman]

That's not true at all. The majority of historians consider Hitler one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century.

This thread is starting to be like a cavity; you know it's going to hurt, but you just can't help poking at it with your tongue. So here goes...

Smoker, two things. First, please name even one of the historians you are citing. You can't just make a sweeping statement like that without citing at least one source.

Second, according to your argument, Hitler was a great leader because he united the country and jump-started the economy. Remember, 6 million innocent people also died under his "great" leadership. Under Bush, the economy is on the downswing, and the country is deeply polarized. Plus only 3000 or so soldiers have died as a result of his leadership. According to your own logic and criteria, Bush just isn't a great leader... case closed.

Seriously, though, are you out of your f-ing mind? Please, please, pleaseplease, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze tells us you don't really believe all this crap you're spouting.

[Scalliwag]

That's not true at all. The majority of historians consider Hitler one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century.

that is very selective analysis. A great leader as in being able to get people to do what he wanted is a given. But he was a nutcase. Just because someone is passionate and driven and can manipulate the masses is not always a good thing.
John Bundy was a very intelligent person. He was also a flippin mass murderer!!! Intelligence is an ingredient in the making of a great leader. But there are explosives that share ingredients with non volatile products and even food like peanut butter.
To act as though one or two ingredients is the entire product is being incredibly disegenuious. You can't take a fraction of anything and overlook the rest. That is twisted logic. The kind of logic that cults use like Jim Jones in Guyana. He had the qualities you've highlighted in a leader.

[Big Boss]

i'd write it in three words: wah wah waaaah

Not quite sure what you meant there...

It took me awhile, but I get it. Its like a sound effect for when something goes wrong, like in a movie. Wah Wah Waaaaaahhhhh. Get it? (I hope so, because if I could make the noise it would be much easier than trying to explain it in words).

You got it. Its a sound made by a trumpet, usually made when someone is disappointed because something went wrong.