E.G. Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 [quote name='Kofod']Charred is not ashed![/quote] True, true. I was just trying to make the point that there is likely some degree of burning going on -- it's not as though you end up with perfectly dry, brown, unburnt tobacco at the end. If I did, I could turn this into a self-sustaining habit, role the remanants into cigs, and sell 'em! And - When we are at the World War thing. [quote name='Kofod']The figures that came in the UK med. statistics afterwards is refered to the lung cancer epidemic and the start of the modern smoking problem in society. It cleared out the drastic difference between cigarettes and other forms of smoking.[/quote] Not surprised by that -- given that most people don't inhale (or inhale as much) with cigars and pipes, one would expect lung ca rates to increase with increased cig consumption. An intersting comparison would be to see if diseases associated with pipes and cigars (mouth and tongue ca, for instance) changed in any way. E.G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G. Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Piperdown (or anyone else) -- The author of the letter refers to tumbâk, tobamel, and mada’a variations of the pipe. What's the difference? E.G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrombom Posted March 1, 2005 Author Share Posted March 1, 2005 [quote name='NERV']thats actually somewhat surprising, plenty of ppl get a big buzz from the hookah, one wouldve thoguht it was the nicotine, anything else it cud be?[/quote] i came across an interesting possible answer on shishapipe.net, a British site: [b][color="#0000ff"]Q: Is Shisha Harmfull?[/color]Technically speaking yes, although only negligibly. The water takes away approximately 90% of the harmful chemicals (excluding THC), and so a pipe contains merely 0.5% nicotine and 0% tar. Also, if its not inhaled, there is no danger of lung cancer. So maybe THC is present in shisha in small amounts, as nicotine appears in small amounts in marijuana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAP Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Well, I have a Heba filter for my Hookah (or so it says). It's a diffuser but its meant to reduce the amount of nicotine and tar taken in. It says that the first time I use it, I should see increased contamination in the water due to the filter clearing the bad stuff out. And it says: "The tests done in specialized research centres on one tobacco head revealed the following results: 46.6 mgs nicotine and 100 mgs tar per one litre which is double the usual amounts" I think what it's saying is that their was double the amount of tar in the water with the filter on than without so it's filtering half of the bad stuff and depositing it into the water. Soo.... I don't know what the figure of 100mgs of tar means unless I can compare it to cigs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrombom Posted March 1, 2005 Author Share Posted March 1, 2005 the consensus on tar per cigarette is between 15-20mg per cig would it be correct to assume that "one tobacco head" means one bowl of shisha, and they're measuring the content of one liter of hookah water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Bubble Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='atrombom']i came across an interesting possible answer on shishapipe.net, a British site: [b][color="#0000ff"]Q: Is Shisha Harmfull?[/color]Technically speaking yes, although only negligibly. The water takes away approximately 90% of the harmful chemicals (excluding THC), and so a pipe contains merely 0.5% nicotine and 0% tar. Also, if its not inhaled, there is no danger of lung cancer. So maybe THC is present in shisha in small amounts, as nicotine appears in small amounts in marijuana?[/quote] Trust me, there is no THC in Massel smoking. I'm sure they are letting us know that if we choose to smoke weed in the machine, we can get stoned. I was smoking my hookah for the last several years in my military career and never "burned" a pee test. I smoked several bowls the weekend before my latest pee test for my contractor job and came out "squeaky clean." Be good and cheers, MR Bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrombom Posted March 2, 2005 Author Share Posted March 2, 2005 Thank you for the facts MRBubble, and for your personal story that proves them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuarriP Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 My two cents on the health issue.... The numbers 0.5% nicotine and 0.0% tar are misleading. 0.0% is not zero. Merely zero to one decimal place. The tobacco could contain 0.0999999% tar and the claim of 0.0% tar would be accurate. Thusly, one will inhale 0.6 seconds worth of pure tar per hour. I don't like misleading numbers like this. Don't believe that 0.0 means zero. I'm sure that all hookah smoker know that there are risks to your health associated with excessive use. That having been said... I have recently quit smoking cigarettes and can testify to the fact that smoking hookah tobacco is not as bad for you, or at least doesn't feel like it's doing as much damage to one's body. Just don't be mislead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NERV Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 i really doubt they can do that, im sure the 0.0% is just for consistency, instead of saying 0% tar, 0.5% nicotine, 0.0% is more consistent. but as the others have said it probably does make some amoutn of "tar" while it smokes, but it may not cause it cooks not burns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuarriP Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Mathematically speaking. 0.0 is not zero (not nothing if that makes sense), that was my real point. If the product contained absolutely no tar then I think that the manufacturer would put NO TAR in big bold letters along the side, maybe underlined with some fireworks around it. Wouldn't that be a better advertisement than the ambiguous 0.0%? Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I know there must still be some tar in shisha tobacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NERV Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 if it says 0 and it isnt 0 they could get sued, especially sultan tobacco which is an american comapny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuarriP Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 What I am trying to say is that 0.0 is only zero to 2 significant digits, so 0.0 could be a round-down of 0.04 while still being technically accurate. Saying that 0.04 (or 0.004 or even 0.0004) is 0.0 is statistically correct; while being somewhat misleading. All I'm saying is don't believe everything you read. I'm sure we're all familiar with the ways in which truth and advertising are sometimes mutually exclusive. Anyway lets not beat this horse to death, I'm still a lover of hookah smoking regardless of the amount of tar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NERV Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 this will be my last post about the tar %, i just wanted to put in one last thought, i highly doubt that they would make any attempt to mislead about the tar content, if there was any im sure they would have to list it, plus by the decimal factor they might as well have claims 0% nicotine 0% tar, if they were willing to go into decimals to display the nicotine content im sure they would have for the tar as well. and the reason they wouldnt have a big flashy image displaying NO TAR is because as far as i know, no shisha has tar in it, that would be like a housing contractor advertising NO ASBESTOSE or a paint company raving NO LEAD, sure they note it just like the shisha boxes, but they dont need to make a big deal about it because it's expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuarriP Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 OK OK I give UNCLE you win I'll say it... There is no tar in shisha tobacco. You Americans are so pushy just kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuarriP Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Just Kidding Don't invade Canada on my account, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuarriP Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 kidding again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypress Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Too damn cold to invade Canada. Us Americans like to invade deserts and jungles. Right? J/K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuarriP Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 We've got oil in Alberta though. mmm...? apparently it's crap though might not be worth gassing up the tanks. J/K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NERV Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 eh, we've got untapped oil in alaska too, environmentalist hippys and regulation have kept it form getting mined i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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