Nicotine Filter

[mgcsinc]

Two things about nicotine:

- Unless you are smoking quite often, you probably will not get addicted to nicotine from hookah.

- Nicotine is not the dangerous part of smoking. It has some mild cardiovascular issues, but it really isn't that dangerous for you.

[sicklecow]

If I were you, I'd just stick to washed shisha.

[teox]

haha i get the feeling most people arent fans of the filter.

-i do smoke quite often and feel like i have a mild addiction (cravings)
-washed shisha? doesnt that wash off the flavor? im not sure i understand that.

[web250]

haha i get the feeling most people arent fans of the filter.

-i do smoke quite often and feel like i have a mild addiction (cravings)
-washed shisha? doesnt that wash off the flavor? im not sure i understand that.

Washed vs. Unwashed:
"Washed" tobacco is tobacco in which the leaves have been washed before flavor/glycerin/honey/etc are added. These generally have a niccotine content of 0.05%

"Unwashed" tobacco does not wash off the excess niccotine, they generally have a niccotine content of 0.5% (10 times higher).

[mgcsinc]

Washed vs. Unwashed:
"Washed" tobacco is tobacco in which the leaves have been washed before flavor/glycerin/honey/etc are added. These generally have a niccotine content of 0.05%

"Unwashed" tobacco does not wash off the excess niccotine, they generally have a niccotine content of 0.5% (10 times higher).

Exactly, with one caveat: nicotine content in tobacco is extremely variable, and the numbers given for content on packages are probably woefully bad estimations of content. By washing, you get a substantial nicotine reduction, but 10 times is only an estimation.

[tingjunkie]

Washed vs. Unwashed:
"Washed" tobacco is tobacco in which the leaves have been washed before flavor/glycerin/honey/etc are added. These generally have a niccotine content of 0.05%

"Unwashed" tobacco does not wash off the excess niccotine, they generally have a niccotine content of 0.5% (10 times higher).

Exactly, with one caveat: nicotine content in tobacco is extremely variable, and the numbers given for content on packages are probably woefully bad estimations of content. By washing, you get a substantial nicotine reduction, but 10 times is only an estimation.

True. Fumari and Starbuzz are both washed, and both claim a nicotine content of 0.05%, but I deffinitely get more of a buzz from Starbuzz (even though it's not much buzz at all).

Anyone know why shisha isn't regulated like cigarettes are? No health warnings on the packs, etc?

To answer the original question: I have used the filters like that before. Who the hell knows if they actually work, but I didn't find they caused any difference in taste or pull. I suppose they couldn't hurt. Charcoal (what they put inside the filters) has been used to filter out toxins for centuries. Edited March 6, 2007 by tingjunkie

[teox]

do hookah cafes use washed shisha?

specifically i use shisha from hidden cafe, does anyone know if its washed? probably not though, because im craving it right now haha. i asked this in smiley's thread too but are his shishas washed?

-is washed shisha less satisfying or fun to smoke? do you get less smoke from it? thanks for the help guys Edited March 7, 2007 by teox

[samildanach]

i've used one of those filters before..and i for some reason i find that it makes teh smoke harsher.. i ended up with a sore throat afterwards..
chucked it away after 1 use..

[mgcsinc]

do hookah cafes use washed shisha?

specifically i use shisha from hidden cafe, does anyone know if its washed? probably not though, because im craving it right now haha. i asked this in smiley's thread too but are his shishas washed?

-is washed shisha less satisfying or fun to smoke? do you get less smoke from it? thanks for the help guys

Does the shisha have a brand name?

lol, as for craving it, sometimes I wonder if occasional hookah smokers who feel addicted (I know a few) are really feeling nicotine's physiological effect, or just feel like they should be craving it because it's supposed to be addictive :-) It's like that time that the NPR skit on SNL has the guy with the holiday eggnog, on which the two hosts get smashed, until they find out that it's non-alcoholic.

[jimmy]

I actually have a hose where the mouth piece unscrews and has an optional filter which fits inside. For me it kinda smooths out nakhla but the problem is it absorbs whatever flavor you initially use it with and also filters out some of the flavor along with the harshness. I never use it, actually never smoke nakhla anymore either. I just bought it for the novelty factor and the guy at the grocery store talked me into it, cool hose though.

[mushrat]

Well, as I've said a lot before, you are smoking, it's just not healthy....PERIOD. To heck with the nicotine, worry about the particulate matter in the smoke jamming up the cillia in your lungs, worry about burnt sugar in your lungs (it can cause problems), worry about the sugars in the smoke rotting your teeth (we've seen members with those problems as well). Why worry abou t the minimal nicotine?

As long as we're talking addictions, better watch out for caffene and sucrose..HIGHLY addictive.

Ah, and the 2 times I've given the filters a shot, they reduced the flavour noticiably.

[teox]

thanks for the advice guys

[Luke69]

Well, as I've said a lot before, you are smoking, it's just not healthy....PERIOD. To heck with the nicotine, worry about the particulate matter in the smoke jamming up the cillia in your lungs, worry about burnt sugar in your lungs (it can cause problems), worry about the sugars in the smoke rotting your teeth (we've seen members with those problems as well). Why worry abou t the minimal nicotine?

As long as we're talking addictions, better watch out for caffene and sucrose..HIGHLY addictive.

Ah, and the 2 times I've given the filters a shot, they reduced the flavour noticiably.

Really sugars in the smoke rotting your teeth? Could please elaborate on all the effects of Hookah? I'm def not going to stop, but i was just interested. O and what would guys say the best way to stop the little particles from clogging your cilia? thnx

[nuschultz]

Really sugars in the smoke rotting your teeth? Could please elaborate on all the effects of Hookah? I'm def not going to stop, but i was just interested. O and what would guys say the best way to stop the little particles from clogging your cilia? thnx

Most of the research that has been done is contested, to say the least.

As far as particulate, there isn't a way to stop it. Smoke is a particulate. The glycerine turns into a particulate. Thats why it stays suspended in air and then eventaully disperses.

[OPR234]

Lungs do a pretty good job of filtering nicotine out of smoke, try em out sometime.

[cypherkk]

I know nicoteen has a pretty bad rap due to special interest groups looking for anything to hate.

But I have to think...

If you are taking a lung full of smoke, is nicoteen really the worst thing in the smoke. The particulate matter is pretty nasty. Lets not forget carbon and many of the other chemicals created when there is combustion. And, nicoteen actually helps free up oxygen intake and opens up breathways.

I don't know, it just seems too many people don't think about what they are doing. Smoking... Anything is not the most healthy things you can do. Most people in fires don't die due to heat or fire... its mostly suffocating from smoke. But if it makes you feel better about what you are doing....

[mgcsinc]

I know nicoteen has a pretty bad rap due to special interest groups looking for anything to hate.

But I have to think...

If you are taking a lung full of smoke, is nicoteen really the worst thing in the smoke. The particulate matter is pretty nasty. Lets not forget carbon and many of the other chemicals created when there is combustion. And, nicoteen actually helps free up oxygen intake and opens up breathways.

I don't know, it just seems too many people don't think about what they are doing. Smoking... Anything is not the most healthy things you can do. Most people in fires don't die due to heat or fire... its mostly suffocating from smoke. But if it makes you feel better about what you are doing....

In terms of hookah, you're mostly right... as I pointed out in post #2 of this thread, lol.

The reason nicotine gets a "bad rap" is not because of negative health impacts, it's because it is a physically addictive product when taken in at the levels achieved by most cigarette smokers. People get their panties all in a twist when free-choice is taken away from a consumer, as in the case with addictive products, and I'd argue that there is good reason to agree with those people, but it's another topic.

And for the sake of the lord jesus christ and all that is holy (and I'm a secular jew, so I must be pleading here), please learn to spell nicotine.

[cypherkk]

But, but, but nicoteen reminds me of something else that is addictive.

Sorry bad pun.

Ah, my nemisis strikes again.

well, there's so much in life that is addictive. Everything from sugar to over the counter medicine. Really anything that changes a persons state of mind. Even normal chemical reactions in the body can become highly addictive, such as adrenaline and many people get addicted to sports or hi-risk activities. So, how far are we going to go with restricting a persons free-choice. You can't run because you might become addicted.

but really it comes down to an old saying about Nazi Germany, as far as I'm concerned.

When they came for the Jews, I did not protest, I was not a Jew. When they came for the Negroes, I did not protest, I was not a Negroe. When they came for the Catholics, I did not protest, I was not Catholic:

When they came for me... there was no one left to protest.

[OPR234]

I know nicoteen has a pretty bad rap due to special interest groups looking for anything to hate.

But I have to think...

If you are taking a lung full of smoke, is nicoteen really the worst thing in the smoke. The particulate matter is pretty nasty. Lets not forget carbon and many of the other chemicals created when there is combustion. And, nicoteen actually helps free up oxygen intake and opens up breathways.

I don't know, it just seems too many people don't think about what they are doing. Smoking... Anything is not the most healthy things you can do. Most people in fires don't die due to heat or fire... its mostly suffocating from smoke. But if it makes you feel better about what you are doing....

In terms of hookah, you're mostly right... as I pointed out in post #2 of this thread, lol.

The reason nicotine gets a "bad rap" is not because of negative health impacts, it's because it is a physically addictive product when taken in at the levels achieved by most cigarette smokers. People get their panties all in a twist when free-choice is taken away from a consumer, as in the case with addictive products, and I'd argue that there is good reason to agree with those people, but it's another topic.

And for the sake of the lord jesus christ and all that is holy (and I'm a secular jew, so I must be pleading here), please learn to spell nicotine.

Nicotine itself doesn't have much of a bad rap, other than its just addictive. Most anti-smoking people are against smoking in general, but it usually always focuses on cigarettes because they are the most popular (and annoying) form of smoking. People are against cigarettes for two/three main reasons: because they are unhealthy and stink to nonsmokers, and they're still seen as cool to smoke by a lot of teens and younger people. People get overprotective of their kids, and because there is just so much information about how bad smoke it is and the 'unethical' tactics of tobacco companies, shit gets blown out of proportion.

Nicotine is simply one of many tools used to depict how toxic smoke can be. Yes, it is a carcinogen, but even so it isn't as bad for you as lots of people think. Hell, even sunlight can be considered a carcinogen. "Carcinogen" is just one of those words that people instantly apply a very negative meaning to without thinking about what one actually is. I've never heard of someone getting skin cancer from wearing a nicotine patch. I assume lung or gum cancer results from nicotine because of the other chemicals in the smoke that irritate your body's cells, rendering them more susceptible to DNA damage.

This is just my view of the whole situation. If anything I said is wrong, by all means, please let me know.

[Gaara]

I know nicoteen has a pretty bad rap due to special interest groups looking for anything to hate.

But I have to think...

If you are taking a lung full of smoke, is nicoteen really the worst thing in the smoke. The particulate matter is pretty nasty. Lets not forget carbon and many of the other chemicals created when there is combustion. And, nicoteen actually helps free up oxygen intake and opens up breathways.

I don't know, it just seems too many people don't think about what they are doing. Smoking... Anything is not the most healthy things you can do. Most people in fires don't die due to heat or fire... its mostly suffocating from smoke. But if it makes you feel better about what you are doing....

In terms of hookah, you're mostly right... as I pointed out in post #2 of this thread, lol.

The reason nicotine gets a "bad rap" is not because of negative health impacts, it's because it is a physically addictive product when taken in at the levels achieved by most cigarette smokers. People get their panties all in a twist when free-choice is taken away from a consumer, as in the case with addictive products, and I'd argue that there is good reason to agree with those people, but it's another topic.

And for the sake of the lord jesus christ and all that is holy (and I'm a secular jew, so I must be pleading here), please learn to spell nicotine.

Nicotine itself doesn't have much of a bad rap, other than its just addictive. Most anti-smoking people are against smoking in general, but it usually always focuses on cigarettes because they are the most popular (and annoying) form of smoking. People are against cigarettes for two/three main reasons: because they are unhealthy and stink to nonsmokers, and they're still seen as cool to smoke by a lot of teens and younger people. People get overprotective of their kids, and because there is just so much information about how bad smoke it is and the 'unethical' tactics of tobacco companies, shit gets blown out of proportion.

Nicotine is simply one of many tools used to depict how toxic smoke can be. Yes, it is a carcinogen, but even so it isn't as bad for you as lots of people think. Hell, even sunlight can be considered a carcinogen. "Carcinogen" is just one of those words that people instantly apply a very negative meaning to without thinking about what one actually is. I've never heard of someone getting skin cancer from wearing a nicotine patch. I assume lung or gum cancer results from nicotine because of the other chemicals in the smoke that irritate your body's cells, rendering them more susceptible to DNA damage.

This is just my view of the whole situation. If anything I said is wrong, by all means, please let me know.

Nicotine directly might be not that bad for you but it is the most dangerous in smoking because it can make you to be addicted to whatever you might be smoking leading to the person smoking more often & exposing themselves of other chemicals that are harmful to your body.

[Allia22]

Do we have to bring up the other thread on how to smoke hookah in the most healthy way?

[cypherkk]

So, I agree with you... my post was never meant to reflame that debate, I simply wanted to voice my opinion, I feel its important to help others understand thier collective bad reasoning: to help people think about how they lie to themselves and create a spark of thought.

And thats exactly what I was getting at, "is there a healthy way to drink/smoke/eat poison" So, why worry about it?