Public Smoking Ban

[billy]

I was at my local shisha cafe and the owner of it walks up to me and my mates and says:

" Would you mind signing this?"

"Whats it for?"

"The goverment wants to ban public smoking, so sign this if you want to keep the shisha cafes"

"yeah why not...."


Why does the UK goverment have to be daft and ban ALL public smoking???

Should it be banned? NO F*CKING WAY!!!

[ghostofdavid]

Next it will be fast food.

[armour]

Yeah I was hoping I could smoke shisha in my halls at Uni but I wont be able to now

[angemonkwj]

i remember reading on gamespot.com one day about a polititcian who was saying that if he got elected he was gonna try to put a 100% tax on things like fast food, soda, video games, smokes, etc.... thankfully he didnt get elected

[rez]

i think smoking in public places SHOULD be banned. but hookah bars should still be allowed since everyone inside has no problem with smoking.

i hate walking in outdoor malls or other public places and inhaling other peoples smoke.

[mushrat]

Well, you see, in the UK you have socialized medicine. The govt. pays for your medical care right? Well, if they are going to pay for it, they get to set the rules. You want ot pay for your own medical bill, cancer treatment, etc. then you get to complain.


Now, here in the US, where the Gov't doesnt care if we live or die, there should be freedom to engage in health threatening behaviour.

[maramos]

Next it will be fast food.

Whats wrong with that, i think fast food is one of the biggest problems today, both in the US and the UK

Anyway a complete ban on public smoking is stupid, however i support some limits. If you smoking directly affects someone and somehow diminishes their quality of life then you shouldn't be able to do. Bars and hookah lounges are a completly different story, you go there with the expectation that you will be subjected to smoke.

[kornkitten42]

i think smoking in public places SHOULD be banned. but hookah bars should still be allowed since everyone inside has no problem with smoking.

i hate walking in outdoor malls or other public places and inhaling other peoples smoke.

Not trying to be rude, but not everybody that goes to a hookah bar wants to smoke. all the hookah bars here in fl serve food and on numerous occasions people dont order hookahs, they're just there to eat...... So if you don't like inhaling someone elses smoke... OUTSIDE (which i would say... walk around, you're outside.. get over it...).... then why should someone inhale your smoke when they are trying to eat their dinner INSIDE?


same rules apply.

[metalhead209]

LOL its a HOOKAH BAR implying that it is used primarily for smoking hookah. not all people go to restraunts to eat or bars to drink but if they are there they can expect to see people doing those things. Seriously people if you dont like tobacco smoke maybe a hookah bar shouldnt be the spot for the old meeting place/ hang out.

[rez]

i think smoking in public places SHOULD be banned. but hookah bars should still be allowed since everyone inside has no problem with smoking.

i hate walking in outdoor malls or other public places and inhaling other peoples smoke.

Not trying to be rude, but not everybody that goes to a hookah bar wants to smoke. all the hookah bars here in fl serve food and on numerous occasions people dont order hookahs, they're just there to eat...... So if you don't like inhaling someone elses smoke... OUTSIDE (which i would say... walk around, you're outside.. get over it...).... then why should someone inhale your smoke when they are trying to eat their dinner INSIDE?


same rules apply.

im sorry but food at a hookah bar is #2 on the list of priorites, smoking is number 1. if you do not like smoke and go to a hookah bar JUST for food then in my opinion you are an idiot.

[Guest LondonShisha]

UK Smoking Ban kicks in around July. The hookah cafe owners in Edgware Road have been campaigning to try to make shisha exampt from the ban but they've been unsuccesful so far. Oh well - an end of an era

[metalhead209]

just do like the americans did during prohabition and have little hookah speak easys and make shisha in your bath tubs lol

[rez]

metal: it is a public ban not a complete ban

you can still smoke it in the privacy of your own home

[metalhead209]

ya i figured as much but the thought seemed funny to me

[kornkitten42]

i think smoking in public places SHOULD be banned. but hookah bars should still be allowed since everyone inside has no problem with smoking.

i hate walking in outdoor malls or other public places and inhaling other peoples smoke.

Not trying to be rude, but not everybody that goes to a hookah bar wants to smoke. all the hookah bars here in fl serve food and on numerous occasions people dont order hookahs, they're just there to eat...... So if you don't like inhaling someone elses smoke... OUTSIDE (which i would say... walk around, you're outside.. get over it...).... then why should someone inhale your smoke when they are trying to eat their dinner INSIDE?


same rules apply.

im sorry but food at a hookah bar is #2 on the list of priorites, smoking is number 1. if you do not like smoke and go to a hookah bar JUST for food then in my opinion you are an idiot.

Uh.... no... The casbah. Is a resturant they have a full menu of middle eastern quizine. I go there for the food. I go there to smoke as well, but i don't drive all the way there to smoke a hookah when i have 6 at my house..................

yes, It's also a hookah bar but the thing is, when you're inside you're trapped with all the smoke it may make those there to enjoy middle eastern quizine a little uncomfortable.

At least when you're walking outside you can get away from it. I don't like it when people smoke cigs indoors, or in clubs, or at concerts, but if i'm outside who cares? I'm not trapped there, i can walk away, or a breeze will take the smoke away.

So why should we take away someones right to smoke out in public? So will they then take away the right to smoke hookah in your yard? what about int the park? you want someone to take that right away from you????? Several people on the board want to smoke at starbucks, or the park, or other places, so you want to ban them too?

[metalhead209]

i think smoking in public places SHOULD be banned. but hookah bars should still be allowed since everyone inside has no problem with smoking.

i hate walking in outdoor malls or other public places and inhaling other peoples smoke.

Not trying to be rude, but not everybody that goes to a hookah bar wants to smoke. all the hookah bars here in fl serve food and on numerous occasions people dont order hookahs, they're just there to eat...... So if you don't like inhaling someone elses smoke... OUTSIDE (which i would say... walk around, you're outside.. get over it...).... then why should someone inhale your smoke when they are trying to eat their dinner INSIDE?


same rules apply.

im sorry but food at a hookah bar is #2 on the list of priorites, smoking is number 1. if you do not like smoke and go to a hookah bar JUST for food then in my opinion you are an idiot.

Uh.... no... The casbah. Is a resturant they have a full menu of middle eastern quizine. I go there for the food. I go there to smoke as well, but i don't drive all the way there to smoke a hookah when i have 6 at my house..................

yes, It's also a hookah bar but the thing is, when you're inside you're trapped with all the smoke it may make those there to enjoy middle eastern quizine a little uncomfortable.

At least when you're walking outside you can get away from it. I don't like it when people smoke cigs indoors, or in clubs, or at concerts, but if i'm outside who cares? I'm not trapped there, i can walk away, or a breeze will take the smoke away.

So why should we take away someones right to smoke out in public? So will they then take away the right to smoke hookah in your yard? what about int the park? you want someone to take that right away from you????? Several people on the board want to smoke at starbucks, or the park, or other places, so you want to ban them too?

in that specific instance its a little diffrent cause it sounds like this is primarily a restraunt that offers hookahs and not a hookah bar... so im assuming that they should either have a seperate room or something to keep the smoke away from the food and people eating. but HOOKAH BARS normaly offer hookahs to smoke from primarily and maybe drinks and small snacks so without hookahs they would have to go out of buisness... unlike restraunts Edited March 26, 2007 by metalhead209

[kornkitten42]

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in that specific instance its a little diffrent cause it sounds like this is primarily a restraunt that offers hookahs and not a hookah bar... so im assuming that they should either have a seperate room or something to keep the smoke away from the food and people eating. but HOOKAH BARS normaly offer hookahs to smoke from primarily and maybe drinks and small snacks so without hookahs they would have to go out of buisness... unlike restraunts
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All the "hookah bars" in North Florida are this way. They are primarily restraunts that serve food and hookahs. We are in a state that does not allow smoking in restraunts how they got around the ban i'm not sure, but i'm sure soon that right may be taken away. Our state has also banned smoking from it's theme parks except for a few designated areas, and cruise ships, and other areas as well. There has been talk of a public ban.

I'm just a little aghast how quickly people are to jump on the bandwagons, of taking other peoples freedoms away from them, just because they dont like something. All i have to say is get over it.

like i said earlier if you ban public smoking, hookah smoking in public is going to be banned as well. So you're just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[metalhead209]

well i would agree that there should be no smoking in restaunts and maybe even as far as bars but thats why cigar bars and hookah bars exist. a place where people can go and smoke and socialize. i live in california and we passed that ban a long time ago. but thats why hookah bars and cigar bars are still around and flourishing.

if you want to smoke go outside for a second its that easy.

actualy the no smoking in restraunts ban can actualy help local hookah bar owners by increasing buisness if restraunts cant offer hookahs to smoke then the only place one could go is a hookah bar.

[Hookah_Bob3]

To kornkitten, they get away with the smoking ban because, believe it or not, 50% or more of their sales are from tobacco

[kornkitten42]

To kornkitten, they get away with the smoking ban because, believe it or not, 50% or more of their sales are from tobacco

what? i dont understand what you are saying. They didn't get banned.. they got around it...... but i'm not sure if this is what you are talking abuot. your post is very vauge Edited March 26, 2007 by kornkitten42

[maramos]

To kornkitten, they get away with the smoking ban because, believe it or not, 50% or more of their sales are from tobacco

what? i dont understand what you are saying. They didn't get banned.. they got around it...... but i'm not sure if this is what you are talking abuot. your post is very vauge

He is suggesting that because over 50% of their income comes form tobacco products, they are considered a retail tobacco shop and therefore exempt from the smoking ban. However i don't believe this is true because the fact that most hookah lounges serve food and drinks disqualify them from being considered a retail tobacco shop. Also i have been to some hookah lounges where i can guarantee less then 50% of their business is purely from hookahs. I believe the true reason is because the clean air act defines smoking using the terminology "lighted tobacco product", creating a loop hole for hookah because the tobacco isn't actually lit

[Scheetz]

As an owner dealing with a Smoking Ban.

There are added exemptions that are included in EVERY smoke out for each state or the county that is doing it. These allow tobacco shops to stay open. Now each state will be different on its requirements. Some have a law enacted specifically for Smoking Lounges where 25% of your sales must come from tobacco use in house. Other exemptions included for our state is 75% of sales must come from tobacco. But like I said, depending on what your business does allows you to fall into different categories for the exemptions.


You also need to realize that most "hookah lounges" you are going to are actually Restaurants that offers hookahs as a treat. However their prime sales come from food and drinks. Hence why they are having issues with the smoke out.


And for UK, July 2007 is when the ban comes in.

[mushrat]

NC is threatening a similar bar/rest. ban on smoking. I'm not sure a state that has Tobacco as it's #1 legal cash crop is going to go that far. But I'm changing Smoketsackers into Hookah Bliss and cutting out the sandwiches in anticipation that such a ban will eventually pass. Or that the Town of chapel hill, which already has strickers ordinances than any other place in NC will enact it's own local ban.

So Hookah Bliss is going to be a lounge/retail shop with a little food, lots of beer, and lots of hookahs.

[cafesaden]

here in cali, to be able to smoke inside at a hookah bar there can't be any live entertainment whatsoever, food or drinks (unless they are prepackaged drinks)

[cafesaden]

also in cali, your sales don't HAVE to be 50% hookah products/smoke shop products. your main purpose is a smoke shop, not going off of sales, I believe.